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Old 02-17-20, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Baby Puke View Post
Well, we'll see what happens, I guess. At the moment, I'm just doing gym work and pretty much no-load roller stuff as there's snow on the track here now. Feeling very good at the moment. I've adjusted my stretch routine as above, am doing the rehab mobility and core stability stuff as above, and have moved to sumo from conventional deadlift which is huge. I'm also squatting to a box to check depth. I am not going as deep as I used to, but I'm going gradually deeper as my hip flexibility improves.

it will be interesting to see how this changes with the bike work that will start in a month or so. My bike work is pretty minimal though- I do not do any road miles really, and all my track workouts are very focussed and low repetition. Maybe it will be ok.
Iím talking about off the bike 100%, not minimal bike work.

Riding rollers could be like ďpicking at the scabĒ keeping the wound from healing.
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Iím talking about off the bike 100%, not minimal bike work.

Riding rollers could be like ďpicking at the scabĒ keeping the wound from healing.
Well Iím not really interested in doing that since basically Iím a bike rider who lifts weight to go faster.
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Old 02-17-20, 10:08 PM
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Well Iím not really interested in doing that since basically Iím a bike rider who lifts weight to go faster.
Yeah. I expected that answer. I just think thatís the only way to determine if itís cycling, in general, thatís contributing to or causing the pain.

In my case (n=1), cycling IS the problem. As much as I hate to say that. Iíve been riding bikes since my earliest memories. When I ride upright, Iím fine. When I bend over (even moderately), thatís when soreness starts.

It had even happened since I stopped riding/racing. After months of no cycling of any sort, Iíll hop on the spin bike for an easy 30-60 minutes for basic cardio work in the home, and BAM...sore back.
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This time of year might be the best time for an experiment like this since you are only using rollers for form and maybe cardio. Maybe try swimming, jogging, walking, hiking, or some other form of cardio that's not cycling and see if the pain goes away.

I would suggest rowing, but that might be trading one problem for another when it comes to the back.
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Baby Puke , I just rode my spin bike and noticed that I have my bars adjusted high as hell. Like damn near Beach Cruiser height. My back is in a very comfortable position and I'm still getting the cardio work that I'm looking for.

Maybe you can find a short/high stem and some shallow bars for your bike during this period when you are just on rollers.
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Baby Puke , I just rode my spin bike and noticed that I have my bars adjusted high as hell. Like damn near Beach Cruiser height. My back is in a very comfortable position and I'm still getting the cardio work that I'm looking for.

Maybe you can find a short/high stem and some shallow bars for your bike during this period when you are just on rollers.
Well, I've found a position that is faster, so I'm loath to give that up at the moment. I'm gonna forge ahead armed with new knowledge and some new movements and lifts and see how it works out. Thanks for your suggestions!
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Well, I've found a position that is faster, so I'm loath to give that up at the moment. I'm gonna forge ahead armed with new knowledge and some new movements and lifts and see how it works out. Thanks for your suggestions!
Why not raise the position now then lower it gradually when the season gets going? No need in suffering all year long.

When talking with Mr. Tiemeyer, he told me how many of his athletes would ride relatively high positions early in the season then gradually lower their bars as the season and their flexibility progressed.

With that in mind, I'm I'd imagine your road bike position is significantly higher than that of your track bike.
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Why not raise the position now then lower it gradually when the season gets going? No need in suffering all year long.

When talking with Mr. Tiemeyer, he told me how many of his athletes would ride relatively high positions early in the season then gradually lower their bars as the season and their flexibility progressed.

With that in mind, I'm I'd imagine your road bike position is significantly higher than that of your track bike.
Hmm. At the moment I don't really see the need to do this. For just roller work, at least, I am not "suffering" from my current position. This could change when I start doing high loads on the bike, and in that case I would consider what you're suggesting here. However, if I can stay in this position year round it would seem preferable to me than adjusting and adapting multiple times a season. Again, I'll take it as it comes and adjust as necessary.

And yeah, my road bike position is a bit higher, but I don't do any training on the road bike. I use it for the very occasional coffee ride with non-racer friends (literally 2-3 times a year) and for transportation to and from work when the weather is reasonable. Anything "real" is done on the track bike either on the track or on the erg.
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As somebody with a really bad back, I'll add perspective.

#1 : As an older guy (your blog puts you at 51yo) your back has gone through a lot. There is a chance that the spine has degraded -- through the natural loss of bone mass, arthritis, stenosis, degenerative diseases (Spondylosis) and the aggravations of age on congenital defects. Therefore before you get into the exercise of the day, it pays to have your spine scanned. X-Ray, CAT, MRI are the scans shown in order of increased cost and clarity.

I was given exercises for years with limited results. Then I walked into the office of a sports orthopedic surgeon who took one look at me and ordered a scan. I was born with 6 defects in my lumbar region. I had an extra lumbar vertebrae. All of the lumbar vertebrae were small, which created two problems: the inside of vertebrae had narrowed with aging causing a stenosis that was pinching my spinal cord and weakening leg strength, and the small size of the bones caused massive compression on the discs when I was squatting crazy-heavy weight. Eventually I blew two discs, had surgery, and the back hasn't been the same since.

And just because I had that surgery, it doesn't mean the back quit aging. Recent CAT scans have revealed spondylosis, arthritis and foraminal stenosis. It was only after my most recent scan that my current sports ortho doc gave me exercises. At age 50 and beyond a scan is helpful.

One more thing. I just noticed this year, and it goes back to the dream time and my previous racing: spend more time in little gears early in the season. Back in the day the maxim was 1,000 miles before you ever pedaled bigger than a 70" gear, I'd get this lower back pain at around 20 miles. By about the 1,000 mile mark that pain would go away. And that was right about the time I started pushing the bigger gears. Fast forward to my re-entry to the sport and for the past two years my cancer had me forgoing that base work and I was having big back problems, including debilitating spasms. Because of COVID this year is a training year and I'm kicking it old school. Sure enough, that 20-mile pain came back. BUT, it was low stress and lower, early-season miles. Like in the article you posted, it was low-stress repetition and rest that allowed me to strengthen my back. Now, I'm just starting to push the bigger gears and I'm doing it with a lot less pain than the previous couple of years.

So, for me, lower gears early in the season, and higher-rep/lower-weight squats in the weight room. And since you have hit 50, get that back scanned.
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So, for me, lower gears early in the season, and higher-rep/lower-weight squats in the weight room. And since you have hit 50, get that back scanned.
Much appreciated, Rickbuddy. I have been progressing well with a lot less pain on the stuff I discovered above, but I'll definitely keep this in mind.

However, I think my training in general is different that most riders in that I basically don't do any road training. I mean, I don't even ride 20 miles except for an extremely rare low-key coffee ride. My training is gym, plyo, rollers, erg, or sprint track workouts, none of which have me do efforts for longer than 45 seconds. Not sure exactly how this bears on your comment, but I basically do not do endurance-length training, and I certainly do not spend long periods of time slogging huge gears.

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