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Old 03-12-12, 04:49 PM
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You mentioned in the past that you use Fortezzas, do you use the dual comp summer tire, or the tri comp? I'm finding it difficult to find the older tire.

What psi do you run your tires at at the track?
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Originally Posted by Jaytron View Post
You mentioned in the past that you use Fortezzas, do you use the dual comp summer tire, or the tri comp? I'm finding it difficult to find the older tire.

What psi do you run your tires at at the track?
I use the Fortezza SE.

160 PSI for training wheels (including the Fortezza SE) and 180 to 200 PSI for race tubulars.

Pay attention to tire and rim max PSI ratings. Defer to the lower number.
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Have you ever ridden tires on the road at those pressures? I'm curious what that would feel like
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Any opinion on these bars: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=28776

I can't find 40mm black track drops witha 31.8 clamp
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Any opinion on these bars: http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=28776

I can't find 40mm black track drops witha 31.8 clamp
Remember my advice to pay attention to what other are and are not using?
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Try these: http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?m...8_232_592_2119
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If these are the right size, you might be able to get them for cheap:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/2895436295.html
you'll have to shim them though.
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Also, shims aren't a problem. They may not look great and be difficult to line up, but they work. I and many others have raced on them. I don't like "beer can" shims. Buy proper ones for like $10.
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Also keep in mind, for most people(especailly beginners) track drops wont add anything. Comfortable road drops will always be better than uncomfortable track drops.
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Originally Posted by Kayce View Post
Also keep in mind, for most people(especailly beginners) track drops wont add anything. Comfortable road drops will always be better than uncomfortable track drops.
True, but he says that he wants to do sprint events, so in this case, track drops will allow his forearms to clear for standing start type efforts. It's kinda tough doing standing starts on road drips.

I forgot to mention to consider the Nitto B125, too. They are not as deep of a drop.
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Dear Carleton,

What is the difference between Nitto branded bars and Origin8 type bars, besides the price? Better materials, finish, fit? I have had great experience using Nitto drop and bullhorn bars and would like to have clarification as to why one would want to spend $40 more on them besides the name chachet. Thanks!!!
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Originally Posted by broakland View Post
Dear Carleton,

What is the difference between Nitto branded bars and Origin8 type bars, besides the price? Better materials, finish, fit? I have had great experience using Nitto drop and bullhorn bars and would like to have clarification as to why one would want to spend $40 more on them besides the name chachet. Thanks!!!
Nitto B123s have been the reference sprint bar for ages. They have been used at the highest levels of the sport:


Nitto sort of got it right with the B123. The next great sprint bar was the Easton EC90 Track bar...which was simply a carbon copy (get it?, haha) of the Nitto B123. Of course, now that head tubes are shorter, short sprint bars are prefered, like the Nitto B125 or 3T Scatto to keep from having to use a steep rise stem and/or headset spacers.

Origin8 stuff isn't bad. They are a budget brand. Nitto stuff is made in Japan (as far as I know), where the quality control and labor costs are higher. My aerobars since 2010 have been Origin8 even after trying at least a dozen pair. I even liked them over some Teschner carbon ones that I had.

It will come down to the shape and feel of the bars. So, in summary, you can't really go wrong with Nittos as a starting point...but certainly other bars make also work for you.

Handlebars are a very personal thing...like saddles. I've seen people use the same bars for decades moving them from bike to bike.
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By the way, another thing that's cool about them is that they come in 1cm increments. Something like 34cm - 44cm (I could be slightly off with the range).

It seems that the US importers generally only bring over the popular even numbers like 38, 40, & 42...and occasionally 36. But, Japanese retailers sometimes offer more selection, like: http://www.tracksupermarket.com/inde...4jaci317741fh3
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So much knowledge dropped. Thank you Carleton. The Deda Pista bars look like they're pretty common at the track, but they're so wide... (42cm)

Now a question: I know that my 700x25 tires felt weird on the track (especially in the banks), can you explain why?

What size clincher tires do you run on the track?

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Originally Posted by Jaytron View Post
So much knowledge dropped. Thank you Carleton. The Deda Pista bars look like they're pretty common at the track, but they're so wide... (42cm)

Now a question: I know that my 700x25 tires felt weird on the track (especially in the banks), can you explain why?

What size clincher tires do you run on the track?
Thread squirm. The more rubber and taller side walls you have, the lateral forces of the track will make it feel squirmy, especially in the turns.

Race tires have a very thin layer of rubber and lower sidewalls, which makes them prone to early wear and puncture, but they fell rock solid. Training tires that have lots or rubber feel squirmy.

Most people ride 22-23c tires. I've used 21s before, but they are a bit too narrow for my tastes on a steep track. You need some side bulge because you ride on the sides at lower speeds.

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I've used 21s before, but they are a bit too narrow for my tastes on a steep track. You need some side bulge because you ride on the sides at lower speeds.
21's are really for TTing on aero wheels. Some wheels will tell you what width tire they're designed for to maximize the aero-ness. For mass start stuff you'd start to feel like you're risking riding the edge of the rim on them.
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Dear carleton,

I assume you have seen this already:
http://i.imgur.com/SEfgi.jpg (slightly NSFW, so no direct image embedding)
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Dear carleton,

I assume you have seen this already:
http://i.imgur.com/SEfgi.jpg (slightly NSFW, so no direct image embedding)
YOU BEAT ME TO IT!!!!

Also, Carl-ma-man. I hear a lot of track sprinters use football gloves? that true?
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YOU BEAT ME TO IT!!!!
I WIN! DON'T YOU KNOW THAT THE INTERNET IS A COMPETITION?

Also, I bet carleton is the one who posted that image in the first place.
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Selle San Marco Regal or Concor?
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Can you point me in the direction of a solid weight lifting regimen? Like, if you know of one online off the top of your head, otherwise, I'll just look harder.

I've just been lifting without any kind of direction really. I figure lifting anything is better than lifting nothing.
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Originally Posted by Soo__Fuego View Post
Selle San Marco Regal or Concor?
Those are two totally different saddles. I happened to find my old Regal pretty comfortable for cruising around town but it sucked on long rides. The Concor - however - is one of the best saddles I've ever used. Also, the suede cover keeps you from sliding around and the contour is really nice once you've got the angle & fore/aft dialed in.

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Originally Posted by JesusBananas View Post
Dear carleton,

I assume you have seen this already:
http://i.imgur.com/SEfgi.jpg (slightly NSFW, so no direct image embedding)
Ha! Thanks!

Originally Posted by Nagrom_ View Post
YOU BEAT ME TO IT!!!!

Also, Carl-ma-man. I hear a lot of track sprinters use football gloves? that true?
Any grippy glove works. I raced on baseball batting gloves for 3 seasons. Cheap and grippy. Now I use golf gloves. They are a lot more supple plus I got them for $7/pair on sale. It's hard to find Left/Right matches in golf gloves, though.

Originally Posted by Soo__Fuego View Post
Selle San Marco Regal or Concor?
No idea. Never used either one. Every butt is different. Let your butt decide.

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Can you point me in the direction of a solid weight lifting regimen? Like, if you know of one online off the top of your head, otherwise, I'll just look harder.

I've just been lifting without any kind of direction really. I figure lifting anything is better than lifting nothing.
http://www.amazon.com/Starting-Stren.../dp/0982522738

It's a great book. My old coach actually contributed to it.


Originally Posted by Scrodzilla View Post
Those are two totally different saddles. I happened to find my old Regal pretty comfortable for cruising around town but it sucked on long rides. The Concor - however - is one of the best saddles I've ever used. Also, the suede cover keeps you from sliding around and the contour is really nice once you've got the angle & fore/aft dialed in.

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Thanks, I'm always impressed with how many questions you have the answers to.
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I know that Deda bars are measured outside-outside, do you know how Nitto's are measured?
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