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Old 01-04-15, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by derek.fulmer View Post
Thanks for the info! I'll likely get the 58cm as well. I had the Look 464 but even before I finished building it, it felt way too small.
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Originally Posted by taras0000 View Post
The fork rake is dependant on the Headtube angle to give you the proper amount of trail for the handling characteristics that you want. Track surface is not important, but the banking is. I'm assuming you're talking about T-town. Alpenrose is concrete as well, but the two tracks are very different. The LOOK 464 front end has road geometry. It should be pretty neutral, but it will make the wheelbase longer. Should be fine for a do it all bike.
Thanks. T-town is my home track, but I will probably race the Giordonna 250m track three times before I do the Masters Nationals there. I will also ride/race Pittsburgh 200m when it opens, so I will be hitting some tighter tracks. The Pinarello Xtrack Sprint has 74.5 degree angles, but the cost is 2.5x of the Look. Am I correct in guessing that might be a better choice for the smaller tracks?
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Larger tracks don't necessarily require the short wheelbases that a steeper track bike affords. You can make almost any bike work on any track, but how well will it work? That's up to you to determine. Your handling preferences will weigh heavily on the geometry that best suits you. 60mm of trail gives you a pretty neutral handling bike. Longer is sluggish, shorter is twitchy. You can achieve any number with either a steeper headtube/less offset, or slacker headtube/more offset (just depends on the how the combinations add up). Although they will behave similarly when travelling in a relatively straight line, there will be some sluggishness when changing direction with the slacker set up because the wheelhub/point of contact is further away from the steering axis, (and) causing the wheelbase to lengthen when you turn the wheel (on an already longer set up). Not a big deal for larger, shallower, wider tracks or TT events. Sprints, keirin, chariot races, and mass start events will benefit from the steeper set up.

It's all relative to perception as well. Some can tell, or need (benefit from) a certain set up, to others, it's a non factor. Best to ride what fits and makes it fun.
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Could you please post a photograph of your drop-out configuration? I'm curious as to how chain length adjustments are made.
Sorry, 700, I do not do digital photos and have no desire to learn. I have the jpg of my avatar that is my ti fixie and it shows the dropout quite well so if you or others can tell me how to post a jpg, I'll do it.

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Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
Sorry, 700, I do not do digital photos and have no desire to learn. I have the jpg of my avatar that is my ti fixie and it shows the dropout quite well so if you or others can tell me how to post a jpg, I'll do it.

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http://www.ridemorebikes.com/wp-cont...d-dropouts.jpg
which one does it look like?
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Originally Posted by taras0000 View Post
It doesn't look like any of them. More like a track end but it is closed at the back. Slot is ~2" long, angled from horizontal like a road drop but not nearly as much. The slot is in line with the chainstay, like a track drop. At the front end, the slot is open at the bottom. So if you were to slide the hub along the dropout from the back to the front, then out and tracked the center of the axle, the path would be an "L" on its side.

We went 11 degrees on the angle of the dropout; a compromise. Level like a track end means the BB height and pedal clearance stays the same with small cogs for descents, road drop angles mean that moving the wheel doesn't change where the brake track and pads. The slight angle means that the entire range stays on the sidewall of a semi-deep Velocity Aero rim.

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does anyone know the geo on the 2015 giant omnium in large? top tube and seat tube lengths. the website doesn't display such information.
Omnium (2015) | Giant Bicycles | United States
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Dolan posted the successor of the Track Champion, the Dolan TC1 Aluminium Track Bike

Make: Dolan
Model: TC1 (Frameset and complete available)
MSRP: 699.99 (~1080USD complete), 349.99 (~540USD frameset); UK tax is 20% which will be removed if you ship outside of UK
URL: complete / frameset

Geo seems to be pretty close to the old TC. TC1 has +1deg Head Angle and Seat Angle slightly steeper (+0.5-0.7deg). Cut away and oversized downtube as the TC.

Paintjob looks much more appealing



(I also just saw that Track Bike Frames | Planet X has some Cinelli Mash frames for 33% off)

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That's a great find. Thanks for posting.

349.99 is approximately $533USD + shipping + duties (taxes). That's a great price.

By the way, I have ordered directly from Dolan in the UK shipping to the USA and it arrived within a week. I have a friend that had a similar experience. I'd order from them again.

Regarding geometry: The frame sizes are based on seat tube length, not top tube length.
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
349.99 is approximately $533USD + shipping + duties (taxes). That's a great price.
It's even cheaper since 349.99 includes the tax which they remove once you select a country outside of the UK! It results in 291.66 + shipping. E.g., to LA it is 75 gives a total of roughly $560 + US taxes.
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The HOY bikes are on sale. Not sure when they went on sale, but they are a great deal.



Evans Cycles | Mountain Bike | Specialized Bikes | UK Online Bike Shop

These are AMAZING prices for great entry to mid-level bikes with great geometry and a really good component set. Buy these complete bikes now and upgrade to fancy wheels, bars, etc... later as you progress.

They even come as large as a proper 60cm TT.
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Now I need a fourth track bike!!

I would also add 10-15% for US import duty & associated customs agent fees.
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Originally Posted by dunderhi View Post
Now I need a fourth track bike!!

I would also add 10-15% for US import duty & associated customs agent fees.
Hahaha.

For what it's worth, I ordered a wheel from Dolan's website and my duty was around 6%.
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The Hoy bikes were on sale when I got mine. Still pretty happy with mine. As mentioned in thread only issues so far were dubious seatpost head and the rear sprocket wasn't the ss-7600 as promised. But at the price I just replaced them both. Will also need to swap the tyres when I take it indoors.
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I just got a 2015 Fuji Track elite Frameset. I've been riding a week and so far the seat tube hasn't slipped nor has the saddle angled on me. I am 6'2" 225 lbs. It's a great bike if you are taller as there aren't as many options.
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I just got a 2015 Fuji Track elite Frameset. I've been riding a week and so far the seat tube hasn't slipped nor has the saddle angled on me. I am 6'2" 225 lbs. It's a great bike if you are taller as there aren't as many options.
Nice! Thanks for letting us know. And you are right, there are very few big frames out there.
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Thought I would go through and collate every bike I saw into one list along with a few I have added myself.
Stealing your sweet layout carleton.

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Make: Dolan
Model: Forza (Frame Only)
MSRP: 899.99 (~$1360)
URL: http://www.dolan-bikes.com/Dolan-Forza-Frameset

Make: Dolan
Model: Precursa (Complete Bike) Also available as frame set
MSRP: 450 (~$658)
URL: Dolan Bikes - Dolan Pre-Cursa Track Bike

Make: Dolan
Model: TC1 (Complete Bike) Also available as frame set
MSRP: 699.99 (~$1022)
URL: Dolan Bikes - Dolan TC1 Aluminium Track Bike

Make: Dolan
Model: DF4 (Complete Bike) Also available as frame set
MSRP: 1499.99 (~$2194)
URL: Dolan Bikes - Dolan DF4 Track Bikes

Make: Felt
Model: TK1 Sprint (Frame Only)
MSRP: $4,149.00 USD
URL: Felt Bicycles

Make: Felt
Model: TK1 Endurance (Frame Only)
MSRP: $4,649.00 USD
URL: Felt Bicycles

Make: Felt
Model: TK2 (Complete Bike)
MSRP: $1,859 USD
URL: Felt Bicycles

Make: Felt
Model: TK3 (Complete Bike)
MSRP: $979 USD
URL: Felt Bicycles

Make: Planet X
Model: Pro Carbon (Frameset Only)
MSRP: $515 USD
URL: Planet X Pro Carbon Track Frameset | Planet X

Make: Planet X
Model: Track T.O.R (Frameset Only)
MSRP: 599.99 GBP ($878 USD)
URL: Planet X Track T.O.R. Frameset | Planet X

Make: Specialized
Model: Langster Pro
MSRP: $1,650
URL: http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bik...er/langsterpro

Make: Specialized
Model: Langster Pro (frameset)
MSRP: $660
URL: http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bik...terproframeset


Make: Specialized
Model: Langster
MSRP: $720
URL: http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bik...gster/langster

Make: Look
Model: 596 Track (frame only)
Price: $3,000-$7,500
URL: http://www.lookcycle.com/en/us/piste...ack-frame.html

Make: Look
Model: L96 Speed(frame only)
Price: 6999.99 ($10240 USD)
URL: Look Cycle - L96 Speed - Frames - Track
Look L96 Speed Track Frame from Velodrome Shop

Make: Look
Model: L96 Time Trial(frame only)
Price: 6999.99 ($10240 USD)
URL: Look Cycle - L96 TT - Frames - Track
Look L96 Time Trial Track Frame from Velodrome Shop

Make: Look
Model: Look 464
Price: 999.99 GBP ($1463 USD)
URL: Look Cycle - AL 464 P - Frames - Track
Look 464 Track Frame from Velodrome Shop

Make: Koga
Model: Kimera
Price: 1999 ($2924 USD)
URL: Koga Kimera from Velodrome Shop

Make: Cobra
Model: Cobra Track
Price: 714.99 ($1046.14 USD)
URL: Cobra Track Cycling Frameset from Velodrome Shop

Make: Fuji
Model: Track Elite
MSRP: $4749
URL: Fuji Bikes - USA Archive

Make: Fuji
Model: Track 1.1
MSRP: $1269
URL: Fuji Bikes - USA Archive

Make: Giant
Model: Omnium
MSRP: $1600
URL: http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/...m/11492/55804/

Make: Jamis
Model: Sonic
MSRP: $1100
URL: http://www.myjamis.com/SSP%20Applica...at_grp=road_10

Make: Bianchi
Model: Super Pista
MSRP: $800
URL: http://www.bianchiusa.com/bikes/fixe...ista-frameset/

Make: Veloforma
Model: Pista Pro 2.0
MSRP: $2899.00 USD
URL: Veloforma Bicycles - Pista Pro Carbon Track Bike

Make: Bridgestone
Model: Anchor PHM9
MSRP: 2900 ($4243 USD)
URL: Bridgestone Anchor PHM9 Track Frameset from Velodrome Shop

Make: Kalavinka
MSRP: Around $2900 USD
URL: * Kalavinka * Tsukumo Cycle Sports

Make: Hoy Fiorenzuola
Model: .001
MSRP: 750 GBP ($1250 USD)
URL: HOY Fiorenzuola .001 2015 Track Bike | Evans Cycles

Make: Hoy Fiorenzuola
Model: .002
MSRP: 1300 GBP ($1902 USD)
URL: HOY Fiorenzuola .002 2015 Track Bike | Evans Cycles

Make: BMC
Model: TR02
MSRP: 2500 GBP ($3657 USD)
URL: BMC Track TR02 2014 Track Bike | Evans Cycles

Make: BMC
Model: TR01
MSRP: 5000 GBP ($7315 USD)
URL: BMC Track TR01 2015 Track Bike | Evans Cycles

Make: Raleigh
Model: Equipe
MSRP: 600 GBP ($878 USD)
URL: Raleigh Equipe 2015 Singlespeed Bike | Evans Cycles

Make: ADR
Model: Capio
MSRP: 899.99 GBP ($1316 USD)
URL: ADR Capio Track Frame | ADR Carbon

Make: Canyon
Model: V-Drome
MSRP: 1099.99 GBP
URL: https://www.canyon.com/en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=2133

Make: Dixie Flyer
Model: BTB Track
MSRP: $1999 USD
URL: Frames

Make: Mekk
Model: Pista T1
MSRP: 749.99 ($1097 USD)
URL: Wiggle | Mekk Pista T1 Aluminium 2015 | Track Bikes

Make: Mekk
Model: Pista C1
MSRP: 1399 ($2046 USD)
URL: Wiggle | Mekk Pista C1 Carbon 2015 | Track Bikes
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Thanks, Banchad!

I'll update the top post.
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Nice! Thanks for letting us know. And you are right, there are very few big frames out there.
I've had mine for a month or so now, Technically its a pre-production 2015 frame, or at least thats what I was told.

Seat post slip struggle is real, but I may still attribute it to being a baby for fear of cracked carbon since it hasn't slipped since the last time I put it to the limit of what i was comfortable with.

Jury is out for me. 6ft 2, probably 210 now.
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Make: Stevens
Model: Pista
MSRP: €1299 ($1457 USD)
URL: Pista - Stevens Bikes 2015

Make: Stevens
Model: Arena
MSRP: €3499 ($3921 USD)
URL: Arena - Stevens Bikes 2015

Make: Elite
Model: Elite Carbon Track
MSRP: 2400 ($3690 USD)
URL: Elite Carbon Track bike

Make: Cinelli
Model: Vigorelli
MSRP: 849 ($1305 USD)
URL: Wiggle | Cinelli Vigorelli 2015 | Track Bikes

Make: Cinelli
Model: Mash Parallax
MSRP: 999 ($1536 USD)
URL: Wiggle | Cinelli Mash Parallax 2015 | Track Bikes

Make: Cinelli
Model: Mash Histogram
MSRP: 1729 ($2658 USD)
URL: Wiggle | Cinelli Mash Histogram 2015 | Track Bikes

Make: Cervelo
Model: T4
URL: http://www.cervelo.com/en/bikes/t-series/t4.html

Make: Pinarello
Model: Pista
URL: http://www.pinarello.com/en/bike-2015/track/pista

Make: Pinarello
Model: XTRACK
URL: http://www.pinarello.com/en/bike-2015/track/xtrack


Make: Pinarello
Model: MAAT 60.1
URL: http://www.pinarello.com/en/bike-2015/track/maat-60.1

Make: Boardman
Model: TK Pro
MSRP: 800 ($1235 USD)
URL: http://www.halfords.com/cycling/bike...-pro-road-bike

Make: Ritte
Model: 8055 Track
URL: http://rittecycles.com/the-8055-track/

Make: 7VRN
Model: 7VRN Carbon Track
MSRP: 849 ($1311 USD)
URL: http://www.brookscycles.co.uk/velodr...k-frame-2.html

Make: Condor
Model: Lavoro
MSRP: 599 ($925 USD)
URL: http://www.condorcycles.com/Single-S...ypage.tpl.html

Make: Moda
Model: Arco
MSRP: 1199 ($1851 USD)
URL: http://www.moda-bikes.com/portfolioentry/arco/

Make: Moda
Model: Senza
MSRP: 1999 ($3087 USD)
URL: http://www.moda-bikes.com/portfolioentry/senza/

Make: Moda
Model: Forte
MSRP: 999 ($1542 USD)
URL: http://www.moda-bikes.com/portfolioentry/forte/

Make: Moda
Model: Fresco
MSRP: 749 ($1156 USD)
URL: http://www.moda-bikes.com/portfolioentry/fresco/

Make: Trigon
Model: TTAA01
MSRP: 899 ($1388 USD)
URL: http://www.trigon-cycles.co.uk/trigon-ttaa01-track-bike

Make: Ponero
Model: Track
URL: http://www.ponero-bikes.com/track_bike

Make: Basso
Model: Pista
URL: http://www.bassobikes.com/en-UK/pista.php

Make: Argon 18
Model: Electron Pro
URL: http://www.argon18bike.com/bikes/tra...ctron-pro.html

Make: Argon 18
Model: Electron
URL: http://www.argon18bike.com/bikes/track/electron.html

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Good news for bigger guys in the market for a new bike:

"The 60cm and 62cm BTB are designed and ready for development! Some additions have been made to accommodate for bigger humans. Larger diameter top tube and taller seat tube boom. BRING YOUR POWER! If you are interested, please contact us. We will need some pre-orders, seed money, or whatever to make these two frame sizes a reality. Along with these two sizes, AND our very exciting MINIE-DIXIE (in development too 3D pics soon) our BTB track line will be complete!!!"
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Originally Posted by Baby Puke View Post
Good news for bigger guys in the market for a new bike:

"The 60cm and 62cm BTB are designed and ready for development! Some additions have been made to accommodate for bigger humans. Larger diameter top tube and taller seat tube boom. BRING YOUR POWER! If you are interested, please contact us. We will need some pre-orders, seed money, or whatever to make these two frame sizes a reality. Along with these two sizes, AND our very exciting MINIE-DIXIE (in development too 3D pics soon) our BTB track line will be complete!!!"
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We're so lucky you're a moderator.
These types still exist? I thought we were done with the immaturity of high school years ago?
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Originally Posted by Baby Puke View Post
Good news for bigger guys in the market for a new bike:

"The 60cm and 62cm BTB are designed and ready for development! Some additions have been made to accommodate for bigger humans. Larger diameter top tube and taller seat tube boom. BRING YOUR POWER! If you are interested, please contact us. We will need some pre-orders, seed money, or whatever to make these two frame sizes a reality. Along with these two sizes, AND our very exciting MINIE-DIXIE (in development too 3D pics soon) our BTB track line will be complete!!!"
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The 60 specs look nice, and the price is right (although the exchange rate these days sucks)


Im sure there is something posted already, but could someone give me some feedback on the BTB frameset? Or perhaps the experience of buying from Dixie?
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I don't own one of these, but am a friend of Bobby. He is fully rolling on production now so bikes can be had quickly. Up until early this season he was still sorting out that side of things and there were some delays.

As far as the bikes themselves, it seems like everyone loves them and I'm not aware of there being any issues (like weird seat post slippage, etc). They are basically the track bike of reference at Hellyer these days, and catching on elsewhere too.
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