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Old 11-07-16, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Poppit
I'd have a think about explosive strength as well so not just focussing on the actual weight but also the speed of moving the weight.
I agree but there is a process.

Strength is the foundation of Power. Before an athlete can move X lbs quickly, they must first be able to move X lbs slowly.
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Thank you for your helps!!!!
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
I made a picture about getting better at things. It applies to cycling.

As a beginner, you can make great progress without putting in much time and effort - just by:
1. Reading some basic materials
2. Following simple programming
3. Going harder than you did during your last hard workout

While a coach can help accelerate this process, a coach's real value is AFTER somebody passes through these beginner and intermediary phases, and hits a point where their improvement slows down a LOT (or stops happening). Basically, a coach is important on the blue line. When time and effort doesn't pay off in gains, and you need to be a lot smarter about how to use time and effort to improve.

I missed this.

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According to many training books, we are still considered "beginners" until we complete a few years of progressive training. As much weight training as I've done, I don't think I've ever progressed out of the Beginner stage into Intermediate. If I did, I was barely into Intermediate. I was nowhere near the point where I needed 1-rep max efforts to stimulate growth (something that a lot of novice lifters do because they think they need to).
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Old 11-09-16, 12:44 PM
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Wow that's crazy
You are still considered as beginner?!!
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Old 11-09-16, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gycho77
Wow that's crazy
You are still considered as beginner?!!
In the world of weight training, yes.

Think of it this way:

Think about what professional chefs can do. That is advanced. Even though I cook every day, I'm still a "beginner" cook.

Most who train with weights (just like many who cook) never advance past beginner level...because they don't need to.

You don't need to be an intermediate or advanced weightlifter to be fast on the track.

To clarify: Becoming an intermediate or advanced weightlifter is more about the programming and stimulation that your muscles need to become stronger more so than knowledge of the lifts (like in cooking with knowledge of the recipes and techniques). Because a track cyclist's time is split between weightlifting, training rides, racing, work/school, etc... most don't have the dedicated time to focus on weightlifting to get to the Intermediate or Advanced levels. This means lifting 6-7 days/week. Most sprint programs have the athlete lifting 2-3 days/week.

Becoming an Intermediate or Advanced weightlifter is about Volume (pounds/week), not just time over years.
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The trail on a track bike is between 55-57?
55 for pure sprint track bike and 57 for neutral track bike?
What do you think about a track bike with 62mm trail
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Originally Posted by Diegokpanga
The trail on a track bike is between 55-57?
55 for pure sprint track bike and 57 for neutral track bike?
What do you think about a track bike with 62mm trail
That depends on a lot of things. But, 62mm of trail is on the high end of things, but by no means out of the ordinary. I associate that measurement with bikes designed around pursuit use - like the Felt TK1, the Cervelo P4, etc. Bikes like this are designed to excel at the pursuit and be serviceable for mass start races.

However, I've always found that trail can't really be talked about on its own terms. Two bikes can have the same trail measurement and how they handle can vary - two bikes with different HTAs and fork rake but the same amount of trail will feel, well, like different bikes.

And, I don't think you can talk about a measurement without talking about the bike's use, and the level at which it will be used. A bike handles really differently sprinting at 35mph compared to sprinting at 40+ - and also works very differently on a 333 with 27degrees compared to on a 250 with 43 or more degrees.
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Thank you it was illuminating and confusing! Worth reading.
i wondering about the geometry of the frame i can get here in argentina fuji 1.0
can you make a fast look about it is a track frame or just a roadie one with track dropout
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Old 11-09-16, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
That depends on a lot of things. But, 62mm of trail is on the high end of things, but by no means out of the ordinary. I associate that measurement with bikes designed around pursuit use - like the Felt TK1, the Cervelo P4, etc. Bikes like this are designed to excel at the pursuit and be serviceable for mass start races.

However, I've always found that trail can't really be talked about on its own terms. Two bikes can have the same trail measurement and how they handle can vary - two bikes with different HTAs and fork rake but the same amount of trail will feel, well, like different bikes.

And, I don't think you can talk about a measurement without talking about the bike's use, and the level at which it will be used. A bike handles really differently sprinting at 35mph compared to sprinting at 40+ - and also works very differently on a 333 with 27degrees compared to on a 250 with 43 or more degrees.
Thx i'm wondering this because my possible next frame it have 62 trail being a lot more than urban velo tips about this thing saying 57 is for neutral. I'm not a big rider for now just a beginner. Being my max sprint 56 km/h.
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Old 11-11-16, 07:53 PM
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It is able to do on a track bike? It a good advice on both bike?

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Old 11-11-16, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Diegokpanga
It is able to do on a track bike? It a good advice on both bike?

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Why not visit a well qualified bike fit expert to find a good beginning position?
That is what I did - he adjusted my position but what was critical the bike fit revealed my knees were moving outwards; after fitting me with insole wedges my knees stay in one plane plus my feet are more comfortable.
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Originally Posted by VanceMac
I know a few people who lift there, including at least one trackie from VSC. You are lucky to have such a well-equipped gym so close to you.

As for coach/programming... I would suggest really spending some time finding one that matches your goals/priorities (which assumes, of course, that you already know what those are). Is cycling your priority, or general strength/fitness? If cycling... track cycling? If track cycling... sprint or enduro? Not that there is a huge difference, but if you are going to the trouble and expense of hiring a coach, you might as well get one that best aligns with your goals.
How much does one pay for a (power)lifting coach in the LA area?
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
...However, I've always found that trail can't really be talked about on its own terms. Two bikes can have the same trail measurement and how they handle can vary - two bikes with different HTAs and fork rake but the same amount of trail will feel, well, like different bikes.

And, I don't think you can talk about a measurement without talking about the bike's use, and the level at which it will be used. A bike handles really differently sprinting at 35mph compared to sprinting at 40+ - and also works very differently on a 333 with 27degrees compared to on a 250 with 43 or more degrees.
I've recently been riding frames that differ only in head tube angle, paired with a couple of different fork rakes. Based on my experience, I'd agree with everything from queerpunk above. I would only add two things: that the geometry can complement (or compensate for) the rider's natural predispositions, and that wheelbase and bottom bracket drop can also have a significant effect on track handling. Bottom line: don't look at trail in isolation and also consider whether you want/need a bike that is closer to super twitchy vs. more stable. I've been at the track for the last few weeks with a bike that has about 66mm of trail and it has not felt at all ridiculous. In fact, with a Zipp 808 on the front and over 10 knots of gusty breeze, a twitchier bike is the last thing I'd want....
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Old 11-21-16, 01:59 AM
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Weird idea: I'm wishing my rollers had a bit more flywheel- anybody ever try putting baseball bat weights on 3" rollers?
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Old 11-21-16, 06:02 PM
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Kreitler make a flywheel that can be added to their own roller and if it's the same as their wind resistance unit, it can be installed to other roller. I have a kreitler wind resistance unit on some performancebike.com rollers
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Kreitler make a flywheel that can be added to their own roller and if it's the same as their wind resistance unit, it can be installed to other roller. I have a kreitler wind resistance unit on some performancebike.com rollers
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I have two Kreitler flywheels on my Kreitler rollers and I like the feel they provide.
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Thanks guys. I might just have to try the bat donut thing.
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Currently I have a +10deg stem with no spacers on my bike and I feel I can get lower to be more aero and it got me thinking, is there some point where too low affects your ability to see what is going on behind you in a race?
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low makes it easier to see what's going on behind you - just look under your arm.

in front of you, on the other hand. that's harder.
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Originally Posted by 8bits
Currently I have a +10deg stem with no spacers on my bike and I feel I can get lower to be more aero and it got me thinking, is there some point where too low affects your ability to see what is going on behind you in a race?
You can go lower. It's easier, and safer to check under your armpit to see what's going on then twisting your head. You're less likely to steer in the direction of your look. What some match sprint videos on youtube and you'll see how it's done.
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Originally Posted by 8bits
Currently I have a +10deg stem with no spacers on my bike and I feel I can get lower to be more aero and it got me thinking, is there some point where too low affects your ability to see what is going on behind you in a race?
[MENTION=223842]8bits[/MENTION], there are other factors to consider, too, such as the impact of a narrower hip angle on your power output, your flexibility to get into a deep position, etc.
Working on getting a good tuck with bent elbows can have the same effect as slamming your stem down, but with the option to sit up a bit more when necessary/possible.
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Also bent elbows are faster than straight elbows with drop bars.
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Guess this might be a good place to ask:

Is the Raleigh Rush Hour appropriate for track use? I'm guessing not as the geometry seems not quite track geometry and, well, the name says it all.

What do you think? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by PepeM
Guess this might be a good place to ask:

Is the Raleigh Rush Hour appropriate for track use? I'm guessing not as the geometry seems not quite track geometry and, well, the name says it all.

What do you think? Thanks.
It depends on where you're at.

If you have it and want to learn how to ride and race at the track, then yes, it's appropriate (assuming it fits reasonably well and is set up with the basics - drop bars, no brakes, clipless pedals).

However, if you're looking to buy a bike for track racing, then there are better options that will last you longer as a track racer.
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
It depends on where you're at.

If you have it and want to learn how to ride and race at the track, then yes, it's appropriate (assuming it fits reasonably well and is set up with the basics - drop bars, no brakes, clipless pedals).

However, if you're looking to buy a bike for track racing, then there are better options that will last you longer as a track racer.
I don't have one, but they're like $250, which seems like a good deal. Still, I'll probably wait until the spring and just get a rental for a few times. If I really like it then I'll probably want something better. If I don't like it then this will just gather dust or will be used for commuting occasionally. Would be nice to be able to just go to the velodrome and do some practice while it's not in session, but not sure it is worth the expense just for that. Thanks for the reply.
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