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Old 11-05-14, 04:58 PM
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Where is the nearest velodrome racing to Greater Boston?
I would love to see some racing live.
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Where is the nearest velodrome racing to Greater Boston?
I would love to see some racing live.
Queens, NY.

for elite racing, Trexlertown, PA.
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hi everyone. I was told this is the place to ask my questions-

I'm looking for a website or some kind of news feed that has track events streaming whenever they happen. Things like the hour record that just happened.. or races.. Anything really.

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Originally Posted by WhatsYoCadence
hi everyone. I was told this is the place to ask my questions-

I'm looking for a website or some kind of news feed that has track events streaming whenever they happen. Things like the hour record that just happened.. or races.. Anything really.

Thanks!
A single source doesn't exist. That's like asking for a single website that streams every soccer/futbol match that happens.

Actually, very few events have such coverage. Only big events like the Olympics and World Championships can be counted upon to provide such. Smaller events, not so much. You are lucky if a fan posts personal footage or copies what his local sports channel had on TV and puts it on Youtube.

Also, specific questions get specific answers. Your question is not very specific

If you want info about a particular event (like the upcoming World Cup round) then ask about that in particular.
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A single source doesn't exist. That's like asking for a single website that streams every soccer/futbol match that happens.

Actually, very few events have such coverage. Only big events like the Olympics and World Championships can be counted upon to provide such. Smaller events, not so much. You are lucky if a fan posts personal footage or copies what his local sports channel had on TV and puts it on Youtube.

Also, specific questions get specific answers. Your question is not very specific

If you want info about a particular event (like the upcoming World Cup round) then ask about that in particular.

This is actually a more helpful answer than I think you think.

I want to get more into it and know what's what and who's who. Unlike baseball and basketball I can't just flick on ESPN and watch the UK destroy the track. So.. how can I watch the World Cup round? And what is that?! I'm like a sponge for info right now.
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Originally Posted by WhatsYoCadence
This is actually a more helpful answer than I think you think.

I want to get more into it and know what's what and who's who. Unlike baseball and basketball I can't just flick on ESPN and watch the UK destroy the track. So.. how can I watch the World Cup round? And what is that?! I'm like a sponge for info right now.
Start here: https://www.bikeforums.net/track-cycl...round-web.html

This Youtube channel has some great footage: Andrea Demontis - YouTube

Lots of interviews of the British team here: British Cycling - YouTube

That should keep you busy for about a week
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Originally Posted by WhatsYoCadence
This is actually a more helpful answer than I think you think.

I want to get more into it and know what's what and who's who. Unlike baseball and basketball I can't just flick on ESPN and watch the UK destroy the track. So.. how can I watch the World Cup round? And what is that?! I'm like a sponge for info right now.
UCI World Cups are the major international track competitions. The only thing more prestigious than winning an event in a World Cup is a World Championship or an Olympic medal. Capisce?

Track - UCI Track Cycling World Cup

If you're not in the USA, you can see them livestreamed on the UCI's youtube channel. If you are in the USA, then you need to go through a proxy server and have your computer pretend it's in another country.
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cyclingtorrents.nl has a random selection of track videos over the past 5 years, mainly World Championships. They've also got complete coverage of the 2014 Commonwealth Games.
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Originally Posted by WhatsYoCadence
This is actually a more helpful answer than I think you think.

I want to get more into it and know what's what and who's who. Unlike baseball and basketball I can't just flick on ESPN and watch the UK destroy the track. So.. how can I watch the World Cup round? And what is that?! I'm like a sponge for info right now.
Here is a really active twitter account that follows track events and personalities: https://twitter.com/fixedgearfever
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Originally Posted by MarkWW
Anybody heard about a race schedule for Forest City this winter? I figured it would have been out by now.

Ask an ye shall receive

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So what does the well dressed track racer wear while riding at the velodrome?

I'm a roadie, but I'm guessing a pocketed road jersey would instantly label me a newbie. I mean, I am a newbie, I just don't want to look like one on my first day...
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Lots of road jerseys at Kissena...and NJ...and Ttown (rookies and masters). Otherwise, skinsuits. Every once in a while there is someone that wears bibs and a compression shirt. NBD.
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Originally Posted by Jared.
Lots of road jerseys at Kissena...and NJ...and Ttown (rookies and masters). Otherwise, skinsuits. Every once in a while there is someone that wears bibs and a compression shirt. NBD.
Thanks Jared.

So at least my apparel won't give me away as a newbie!
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A real newbie shows up in gym shorts and a tshirt. Everyone else wears a normal road kit, skinsuits if you are racing (even then most people are in road kits). No need to buy new stuff anyway
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Originally Posted by gtrob
Ask an ye shall receive

Forest City Velodrome
Oh happy day! I might have just spent the week justifying to myself that it was good that I wasn't heading up to race, and I really should save that travel money. I'll book the hotel tonight.
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Can anyone refer me to a "correct" gear-inch chart? I've looked at a few now, and I'm seeing different values for the same gear/tire combinations (e.g. 48x15 /w 700c 23mm tire is 84.1 according to Sheldon Brown's Bicycle Gear Calculator and 86.4 according to https://www.velodromeshop.net/gearchart3.jpg). I guess I could do a rollout, but my bike is at the track and I'm curious now.
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Originally Posted by TurtleRacer
Can anyone refer me to a "correct" gear-inch chart? I've looked at a few now, and I'm seeing different values for the same gear/tire combinations (e.g. 48x15 /w 700c 23mm tire is 84.1 according to Sheldon Brown's Bicycle Gear Calculator and 86.4 according to https://www.velodromeshop.net/gearchart3.jpg). I guess I could do a rollout, but my bike is at the track and I'm curious now.
The *most* correct gear chart is the one based on your personal rear tire's rollout.

That being said, the differences between actual measured rollout and values we use in estimations differ by like 1% and therefore aren't worth fretting over. Not to mention the other factors: Holding a line, air pressure, fitness, the fact that even after a rollout you actually ride on the side of the tire on the straits , etc...

Gearing is relative. If you are racing a 48/14 and you get to the point where you are feeling spun-out, then try a 49.

In short, don't over-think it. It's not worth the mental energy wasted on calculating that extra 1% variance. Calculate your gears the way most others do:

- Imperial: 27 (chainring/cog) = estimated gear-inches
- Metric: 2.1 x (chainring/cog) = estimated gear-meters

( If you are unaware, I've made a few apps in the Apple App Store that focus on gearing for track applications. I've done all of the math )
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Originally Posted by TurtleRacer
Can anyone refer me to a "correct" gear-inch chart? I've looked at a few now, and I'm seeing different values for the same gear/tire combinations (e.g. 48x15 /w 700c 23mm tire is 84.1 according to Sheldon Brown's Bicycle Gear Calculator and 86.4 according to https://www.velodromeshop.net/gearchart3.jpg). I guess I could do a rollout, but my bike is at the track and I'm curious now.
What Carleton said, but also, correct is 27*ring/cog. The wrong ones use the "actual" wheel size of 26.X as the constant, but using the nominal 27" multiplier is correct.
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Originally Posted by TurtleRacer
Can anyone refer me to a "correct" gear-inch chart? I've looked at a few now, and I'm seeing different values for the same gear/tire combinations (e.g. 48x15 /w 700c 23mm tire is 84.1 according to Sheldon Brown's Bicycle Gear Calculator and 86.4 according to https://www.velodromeshop.net/gearchart3.jpg). I guess I could do a rollout, but my bike is at the track and I'm curious now.
The "correct" gear chart by convention is the ratio multiplied by 27. When you hear people on this forum and on the track talk about a 90" gear for instance, they mean a 50/15 or 47/14. Using convention then, a 48/15 is an 86(.4)" gear. Think of this more as a "scaled gear ratio" than an actual gear-inch. It is just easier to talk about using a "90" as opposed to "slapping on a 3.33" (though in Japan, they do exactly this). And you want to talk about ratios rather than just saying a "50/15" because there are different ways to get to the same gear ratio and the gear ratio is the important part anyway. It also leads to a pretty handy gear-tooth to gear-inch conversion whereas a tooth in the back (cog) is worth six gear inches and a tooth in the front (chainring) is worth two gear inches". Not exactly right, but close enough for what we do and easy to calculate. Everything kind of orbits a 50/15 = 90" gear. If I want a 94" gear (four inches bigger than a 90" gear) and don't have a gear chart handy, I use the rule of thumb to reduce one tooth in back to increase the gearing by 6" and reduce one in front to reduce the gearing by 2" and come out with 49/14.

50/15 with a 23mm 700c tire is mathematically an 84.1 gear-inch. If you are trying to correlate RPM to speed, for instance, you need to use this number. As a rule of thumb, the difference between "convention" and mathematically correct is about two gear inches, if you need a fast and dirty calculation. There are a myriad of smart phone gear calculators that switch between math and convention and correlate speed to rpm. The one I use is called "GearCalc" by Blackdog.

As Carleton said though, usually you pick gear via feel, so using convention is good enough for just about everything.
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Just checked out Carlton's iPhone app for gear ratios. Doesn't deal with the whole math vs. convention thing, but it is cool. I'll never have to calculate chainrings and cogs again!
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Thanks, Carleton, queerpunk, Brian - that makes a lot of sense. I didn't realize there was a difference between convention and "mathematically correct" - but I should have seen it coming, as I've seen it elsewhere (my tires are "28 inches" according to continental but are a bear to stretch over a 700c wheel).

This explains why I saw two different charts at the track last night and the general consensus was that one of the charts was "wrong".

Carleton, how's the android version of your app coming along?
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Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff
Just checked out Carlton's iPhone app for gear ratios. Doesn't deal with the whole math vs. convention thing, but it is cool. I'll never have to calculate chainrings and cogs again!
Thanks!

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This explains why I saw two different charts at the track last night and the general consensus was that one of the charts was "wrong".
"wrong" is a strong word. There is "mathematically correct" and "the system we've been using it for decades".

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Carleton, how's the android version of your app coming along?
Nothing is happening on that front
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( If you are unaware, I've made a few apps in the Apple App Store that focus on gearing for track applications. I've done all of the math )
What do I search to find your apps?
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Thanks!
I really like the "gear inventory" idea and matching road gears to track gears. Incredibly useful.
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Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff
I really like the "gear inventory" idea and matching road gears to track gears. Incredibly useful.
Adding road gears was Mike Dancel's idea. I never did many track training efforts on the road. My road bike was for easy rides mostly. I'm glad to see you guys getting use out of it.

I'm open to feedback, most of which eventually makes it into the app. Right now I'm adding the option to indicate which tire size you are using for precise calculation based on Mark Tyson's suggestion. Basically it's only 1% difference, but for the athletes he coaches, they train all year for a 1% gain...so precision is important.
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