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Old 01-12-15, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SBUndefeated201 View Post
I currently have a standard purefix crankset that comes stock on the basic $200 dollar fixies. I want to upgrade mostly to drop weight (stiffness would be an excellent addition however). I am torn between a SRAM S100 courier crankset and the SRAM Omnium. I understand the Omniums are the track standard and are the main choice. I am a broke college kid is trying to be wise with what I get. Are the omniums that much better than the s100s? Or will I notice a significant difference by just upgrading from the standard alloy crankset to the S100s? I should also note that I am primarily a fixed road rider who rides the velodrome once in a while..not a serious trackie. (The FSA Vero crankset is being considered as well.)

Thanks in advance for your input!
You won't experience any difference in cranks.

- If you are a broke college student, the worst thing you can do is buy track parts a-la-carte (piece by piece).
- Don't upgrade anything on that bike.
- Save your money and buy a used complete track racing bike.

If you don't find a bike that's your size, keep saving. Eventually you'll have enough to buy something like a Felt TK3 or Hoy Fiorenzuola.

Pro Tip: Spend money to solve particular problems. Don't just buy what you see others riding without knowing that it will solve a problem for you. A BT Stealth is probably heavier that your bike.

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Thanks to Wens and Carleton. I wasn't sure if piece by piece upgrades were beneficial (more expensive but less spending at one time) or if just buying a whole new bike was the better way to go. Thanks for the valuable advice.
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Originally Posted by SBUndefeated201 View Post
Thanks to Wens and Carleton. I wasn't sure if piece by piece upgrades were beneficial (more expensive but less spending at one time) or if just buying a whole new bike was the better way to go. Thanks for the valuable advice.
No problem. Glad to help.

Go to bike shops and try several on for size. Get them to take a photo of you from the side when you are in the drops. Take note of the sizes and look up the geometries when you get home. You can do this over several weeks/months as you save money. Keep a log of all of this. Nerd out on it

The most common mistake that newbies make is to buy a bike with a top tube that is too short. I did it. I even had a custom frame made with a top tube that was too short.

The mistake that a lot of people make is to pick a bike that is comfortable for riding around town in an upright position. But, when we race, we need to lay our backs down. Especially on the track. Being that the races are so short, for 1-15 minutes we can endure positions that would be uncomfortable during a 2hr road ride.

You don't have to be super aero. Just be sure not to be upright.
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
No problem. Glad to help.

Go to bike shops and try several on for size. Get them to take a photo of you from the side when you are in the drops. Take note of the sizes and look up the geometries when you get home. You can do this over several weeks/months as you save money. Keep a log of all of this. Nerd out on it

The most common mistake that newbies make is to buy a bike with a top tube that is too short. I did it. I even had a custom frame made with a top tube that was too short.

The mistake that a lot of people make is to pick a bike that is comfortable for riding around town in an upright position. But, when we race, we need to lay our backs down. Especially on the track. Being that the races are so short, for 1-15 minutes we can endure positions that would be uncomfortable during a 2hr road ride.

You don't have to be super aero. Just be sure not to be upright.
Will do. Only been riding fixed and on the velodrome (and cycling in general) for 6 or 7 months. Constantly learning new things from you guys and experienced racers at the track.
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im looking at a replacement crankset for my miche advanced. i'm considering the affordable omnium a length longer 172.5. i'm curious about the fsa isis track crankset. i don't mind bling.


not really a question tho.

anybody here use the fsa track crankset? what do you think about it?

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Originally Posted by sergioflorez View Post
im looking at a replacement crankset for my miche advanced. i'm considering the affordable omnium a length longer 172.5. i'm curious about the fsa isis track crankset. i don't mind bling.
No one uses FSA track cranks. Not sure why, but those who had them replaced them.

If you don't mind bling, go for Dura Ace. They are the standard that all are compared to.
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DA cranks are so last season.

Is there a clever way to mount a garmin under the seat like the SRM? We can't race with them in front of us and its a bit annoying to have it in the pocket, so I would rather just throw it under the seat and forget about it.
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DA cranks are so last season.

Is there a clever way to mount a garmin under the seat like the SRM? We can't race with them in front of us and its a bit annoying to have it in the pocket, so I would rather just throw it under the seat and forget about it.
http://www.bikeforums.net/track-cycl...dle-mount.html
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
No problem. Glad to help.

Go to bike shops and try several on for size. Get them to take a photo of you from the side when you are in the drops. Take note of the sizes and look up the geometries when you get home. You can do this over several weeks/months as you save money. Keep a log of all of this. Nerd out on it

The most common mistake that newbies make is to buy a bike with a top tube that is too short. I did it. I even had a custom frame made with a top tube that was too short.

The mistake that a lot of people make is to pick a bike that is comfortable for riding around town in an upright position. But, when we race, we need to lay our backs down. Especially on the track. Being that the races are so short, for 1-15 minutes we can endure positions that would be uncomfortable during a 2hr road ride.

You don't have to be super aero. Just be sure not to be upright.
Do I have my thinking totally backwards? On the road, crit riders and sprinter types usually go for smaller frames(I'm 6'2" and ride a 56 comfortably) for added stiffness and the likely non-existent aero benefits. On the track, they should maybe go up a size? I always thought they would follow similar logic
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Originally Posted by misterwaterfall View Post
Do I have my thinking totally backwards? On the road, crit riders and sprinter types usually go for smaller frames(I'm 6'2" and ride a 56 comfortably) for added stiffness and the likely non-existent aero benefits. On the track, they should maybe go up a size? I always thought they would follow similar logic
Yes, your thinking is backwards

1) You don't pick a frame size smaller to make it stiffer. You buy a stiffer frame that fits.
2) If you are 6'2", your bike is too small. Period. You should be on a 59 or 61cm, probably.

This is exactly why I suggested that you take pics of yourself on bikes of various sizes
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Yes, your thinking is backwards

1) You don't pick a frame size smaller to make it stiffer. You buy a stiffer frame that fits.
2) If you are 6'2", your bike is too small. Period. You should be on a 59 or 61cm, probably.

This is exactly why I suggested that you take pics of yourself on bikes of various sizes
OK, still trying to wrap my head around this. What makes it not fit? If I can make power, it handles well, and doesn't make my neck/back hurt then I should be fine right?

For example on the road, Andre Greipel who's just over 6' rides a size small frame.
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Originally Posted by misterwaterfall View Post
OK, still trying to wrap my head around this. What makes it not fit? If I can make power, it handles well, and doesn't make my neck/back hurt then I should be fine right?

For example on the road, Andre Greipel who's just over 6' rides a size small frame.
1) For every person you name that rides a frame that is too small, I can name 10 that are riding one that fits.

2) It's about balance, aerodynamics, handling.

3) Bikes come in 2cm increments for a reason. Think about that for a minute. Why do bikes not come in like 2 sizes instead of 5 or 6?

4) You are a taller human than most. It stands to reason that you'd ride a taller/longer bike.

5) Put your bike in a trainer or simply lean against a wall and take a photo of yourself in a sprint position. Compare that photo to track racers that you admire.
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1) For every person you name that rides a frame that is too small, I can name 10 that are riding one that fits.

2) It's about balance, aerodynamics, handling.

3) Bikes come in 2cm increments for a reason. Think about that for a minute. Why do bikes not come in like 2 sizes instead of 5 or 6?

4) You are a taller human than most. It stands to reason that you'd ride a taller/longer bike.

5) Put your bike in a trainer or simply lean against a wall and take a photo of yourself in a sprint position. Compare that photo to track racers that you admire.
Thanks. Like I said, I'm just trying to wrap my head around this as I'm super new to the track and fairly new to racing bikes overall. I'll give the picture method a try and see how it looks.
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crank

Originally Posted by sergioflorez View Post
im looking at a replacement crankset for my miche advanced. i'm considering the affordable omnium a length longer 172.5.

i'm curious about the fsa isis track crankset.

anybody here use the fsa track crankset? what do you think about it?
What is wrong with your Miche? Don't like the BB?
https://www.philwood.com/products/bbpages/ssbb.php#
Bottom Bracket Axle Talent Titanium, bearings, spacer, cups

FSA Made 3 decent track cranksets.

Vigorelli
Carbon Pro Track
Carbon track

Lots of reasons trackkies do not use them...

carbon spider
isis bb
fitment
etc...
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While perfect, Im getting sick of buying things for what feels like 10 times their worth. Even the kedge on the handle bar, they are like $45 here and are about $0.10 of material. At least make it carbon fiber if you want me to think its worth more than it is!
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Originally Posted by gtrob View Post
While perfect, Im getting sick of buying things for what feels like 10 times their worth. Even the kedge on the handle bar, they are like $45 here and are about $0.10 of material. At least make it carbon fiber if you want me to think its worth more than it is!
I'm sure you could rig something up using the bracket that came with it if you thought about it for a while.

Also, it doesn't have to be under the saddle. Just somewhere where you can't see it.

Maybe where the seat stays meet the seat tube.


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Originally Posted by sergioflorez View Post
anybody here use the fsa track crankset? what do you think about it?
I had the earlier model which came stock with my Fuji (RIP). Personally found them fine but hadn't ridden other track cranks to compare.

Only swapped out as I went with an SRM.

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While perfect, Im getting sick of buying things for what feels like 10 times their worth. Even the kedge on the handle bar, they are like $45 here and are about $0.10 of material. At least make it carbon fiber if you want me to think its worth more than it is!
Number of riders here just use a stem mount on the seat post = though that won't work with the Cervelo's aero post... Surely you could McGuyver something up? Perhaps a piece of plactic pipe with slots either end to fit across the saddle rails (held on with zip ties) and use the stem mount on that?
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I think so, I haven't really attempted it yet. Ill post back what I come up with anyway
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Number of riders here just use a stem mount on the seat post = though that won't work with the Cervelo's aero post... Surely you could McGuyver something up? Perhaps a piece of plactic pipe with slots either end to fit across the saddle rails (held on with zip ties) and use the stem mount on that?
I love projects like this.
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Originally Posted by Dalai View Post
Number of riders here just use a stem mount on the seat post = though that won't work with the Cervelo's aero post... Surely you could McGuyver something up? Perhaps a piece of plactic pipe with slots either end to fit across the saddle rails (held on with zip ties) and use the stem mount on that?
1" aluminum bar zip tied to the saddle rails. 2 cuts (angled to match rail angle) and some drilling for the zip ties - total about 10-15 minutes. I drill extra holes to allow zip tying the garmin mount to keep it more secure. Credit for the idea goes to Portland.
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I know this is too simple, but I have found that electrical tape of any color across the screen of the Garmin makes the officials happy as clams.
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I know this is too simple, but I have found that electrical tape of any color across the screen of the Garmin makes the officials happy as clams.
I agree! I really think we are over-thinking this one.

As I mentioned in the thread linked above, a buddy of mine raced Masters Pan-Ams and Masters Worlds with tape over his SRM screen and wasn't hassled at those strict world-level UCI events.


Tip: Use Gaffer's Tape. It's easy to tear with fingers and doesn't leave glue behind like other tapes. Available at art supply stores.
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put my kedge mount on my seat post. only because it wouldn't fit with the scattos otherwise it'd be on my handlebar.
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