Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 17616579)
+1
It's common for elites (like quinn) to get little to no track time before an event. It's totally possible to get ready using rollers...even before big strength efforts like a kilo. |
Originally Posted by Yellowgiant
(Post 17617878)
If you just had rollers to ride, how would that change your warm up? I would assume a road bike would be used vs. track bike?
The purpose of the warmup is literally to warm the temperature of your muscles up to an optimal point. This can be accomplished using rollers or any kind of trainer. I asked an Olympic Kilo rider how he warmed up for his events and he said that he could do it 100% on the rollers with no track time because at events like world-cups, Olympics, etc, you simply can't get on the track 15 minutes before your event like you can at local events. Even at Jr, Collegiate, Elite, and Masters track nationals, getting track time is awful. You have a track FULL of people doing god-knows-what. It looks like a Charlie Brown dance party out there. http://i.imgur.com/hQh3Zdi.gif You can't do a full-gas flying 200, standing start, nothing. The best you can hope for is 15 minutes in a paceline. Learn to do it all in the infield and you'll be better off. Control what you can control. |
Originally Posted by Yellowgiant
(Post 17616101)
Ya but it was after a 20-30 lap paceline with a burnout to finish it off.
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If I think I'll end up doing my entire warm-up on the rollers I'll use an iPhone Interval timer (ultra timer HD) and plot out my warm-up to an exact time (65min) so that I can count riders before me and figure out exactly when to start getting warm...
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=438314 |
Originally Posted by Quinn8it
(Post 17618239)
If I think I'll end up doing my entire warm-up on the rollers I'll use an iPhone Interval timer (ultra timer HD) and plot out my warm-up to an exact time (65min) so that I can count riders before me and figure out exactly when to start getting warm...
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=438314 Another tip: If you are prepping for a big event where you may not get your normal on-track warmup ritual, start a couple of weeks ahead of time and practice doing your warmup 100% on the rollers/trainer even for normal workouts. This will help you get your routine dialed-in so you won't be frantic during your big event. Your nerves will be on edge anyway. Adding a new routine to the mix may unnerve you. I had one athlete tell me that when she went to collegiate nationals, she couldn't do her normal warmup and she didn't know what to do. It totally threw off her mental prep and confidence. |
Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 17618636)
This is a really good idea.
Another tip: If you are prepping for a big event where you may not get your normal on-track warmup ritual, start a couple of weeks ahead of time and practice doing your warmup 100% on the rollers/trainer even for normal workouts. This will help you get your routine dialed-in so you won't be frantic during your big event. Your nerves will be on edge anyway. Adding a new routine to the mix may unnerve you. I had one athlete tell me that when she went to collegiate nationals, she couldn't do her normal warmup and she didn't know what to do. It totally threw off her mental prep and confidence. |
On a related note:
has as anyone used the Sportcrafters Omnium Track trainer yet? anybody got real world power curve data? Im wondering if the drum is wide enough to use the "hand towel/shoe Throttle" for pre kilo lactic efforts? |
Originally Posted by Quinn8it
(Post 17618898)
On a related note:
has as anyone used the Sportcrafters Omnium Track trainer yet? anybody got real world power curve data? Im wondering if the drum is wide enough to use the "hand towel/shoe Throttle" for pre kilo lactic efforts? |
Good call! Messaging Morocco now!
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Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 17618029)
Even at Jr, Collegiate, Elite, and Masters track nationals, getting track time is awful. You have a track FULL of people doing god-knows-what. It looks like a Charlie Brown dance party out there.
http://i.imgur.com/hQh3Zdi.gif Warmups can be really chaotic. |
Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 17618636)
This is a really good idea.
Another tip: If you are prepping for a big event where you may not get your normal on-track warmup ritual, start a couple of weeks ahead of time and practice doing your warmup 100% on the rollers/trainer even for normal workouts. This will help you get your routine dialed-in so you won't be frantic during your big event. Your nerves will be on edge anyway. Adding a new routine to the mix may unnerve you. I had one athlete tell me that when she went to collegiate nationals, she couldn't do her normal warmup and she didn't know what to do. It totally threw off her mental prep and confidence. |
^^^I like the rollers plus a couple of squat jumps if I can't get on the track at all.
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I am changing my Track pedals from Shimano SPD to Shimano SPD-SL after many years, maybe not so many.
Would I A) Not make any changes to the saddle height? B) Raise Saddle up and how much? C) Lower Saddle down and how much? I was fitted 2 years ago and hate to go back for this adjustment as I will be getting a new frame in 2 months and will go then. Thanks Rob |
Originally Posted by Not the Slowest
(Post 17624087)
I am changing my Track pedals from Shimano SPD to Shimano SPD-SL after many years, maybe not so many.
Would I A) Not make any changes to the saddle height? B) Raise Saddle up and how much? C) Lower Saddle down and how much? I was fitted 2 years ago and hate to go back for this adjustment as I will be getting a new frame in 2 months and will go then. Thanks Rob You can do this by feel or take measurements. |
yeah, there are a lot of variables. chances are pretty good, though, your new setup will be lower so you'll have to lower the saddle a hair.
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Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 17624208)
You are changing cleats, pedals, shoes, and footbeds. The answers is, "who knows?". You'll just have to try it and see. They could all net out to the same.
You can do this by feel or take measurements. |
Velocirapture,
Sorry it took so long to answer as I was flying on Delta for the last two days. Kinda sucked. In any case, the 500 takes about 8 or more button pushes to get into and out of the bike setting page. The 510 appears to be much easier, requiring less set up time. You can find a nice review of the 510 here: Garmin Edge 510 In-Depth Review | DC Rainmaker. |
Originally Posted by carleton
(Post 17624208)
You are changing cleats, pedals, shoes, and footbeds. The answers is, "who knows?". You'll just have to try it and see. They could all net out to the same.
You can do this by feel or take measurements. |
Originally Posted by Not the Slowest
(Post 17626003)
You are correct, there are a few variables, but I guess I would lower the saddle 1 cm at a time. In anycase the snow is almost off our track so by the time we have our first race or training session I'll get this dialed in.
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Originally Posted by rensho3
(Post 17625551)
Velocirapture,
Sorry it took so long to answer as I was flying on Delta for the last two days. Kinda sucked. In any case, the 500 takes about 8 or more button pushes to get into and out of the bike setting page. The 510 appears to be much easier, requiring less set up time. You can find a nice review of the 510 here: Garmin Edge 510 In-Depth Review | DC Rainmaker. |
Originally Posted by Velocirapture
(Post 17627009)
Maybe go with 5 mm at a time. 1 cm is a BIG difference in saddle height. Sometimes folk change saddle height literally by 1 or 2 mm to get a fit dialed in.
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I'm going to have the opportunity to ride some pursuits in the near future. Ive riden a couple in the past but just with standard drops, however think its time to take it a bit more seriously and going for aero bars - what would you recommend?
Still only dipping my toes in so at the budget end of the market so i guess that rules out the fancy integrated options - will standard clip on TT bars be suitable or will that compromise things too much and i would be better getting a base bar too? |
It's unlikely that mounting clip-ons on your current drop bars would yield the correct pad height. So you are probably better off buying a base bar, new stem and set of clip-on extensions.
On that note... These are some great clip-on extensions I just got, and pretty cheap! They have the most solid mounting system of any I've tried EIS S7 Clip-On Triathlon Bicycle Aero Bars - 170296-01 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I4XU9RO..._5ombvb0QT8Y2Q https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I4XU9RO..._5ombvb0QT8Y2Q |
Aero bars can be a long journey, kinda like finding the saddle you like. Any will do in a pinch, but the "right" set will take you kissing a lot of frogs before you find your prince, hahaha.
Early on, I'd avoid spending money if possible. Maybe start by borrowing from friends and teammates. Next, I'd keep an eye out on the local craigslist or bike swap for used deals. The weight difference between aluminum and carbon don't justify the higher carbon price. Aluminum is just fine. Remember, your bike still has to weigh 15lbs at the event. You'll likely need a stem that is around 2cm shorter than the stem you use for drop bars. It will usually drop down lower than your normal stem as well. This is why you see such crazy short stems with deep drops available in shops that cater to the triathlon crowd. Once you do decide to buy a set of aerobars, 3T has the most complete offering that I've seen on the market. A well-equipped tri shop would have all of this stuff in stock. Aerobar - 3T Cycling Road - Bike Components for Road Bike But like Quinn, my kilo setup is cheap. I use steel Nitto RB21 base bars and budget Origin 8 clip ons. Spent less than $200 total. It's rock-solid for kilo starts. |
Where did you find a steel RB21?
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