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After a fairly frustrating internet search , and a search here on the forums, I can't seem to get an answer to a simple question : What do you do for a warm up before a roller/trainer workout? Is it the same every time? Or is it workout specific?
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I am boring and do mostly the same warmup for everything ... lower rpm, lower resistance work for 10-15 minutes. On a hot day outside when I am moving around and getting ready I might only warmup 5 minutes, but that is rare. On really cold days I increase it to 20-25 minutes, but as you mention rollers, I assume inside - so for me that is 10-15 minutes low RPM, low resistance.
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I do a lot of roller workouts at the cycling gym with my coach and I use a warm up that leads into the first 20 minute interval which also has a "warmup" piece embedded in it. I start with low power easy spin and work up slowly for 10 minutes raising my heart rate. There is a big lag with the aerobic system. I finish the warmup matching the cadence and power I will need to commence the first interval.
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I listen to music by Afro Celt; I start with low cadence, low resistance, and then when I hit the 4th song, which has a beat of about 110, I do my first interval. Timing is about 15 minutes or so. Seems to work and keeps me motivated.
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1) To literally warm your muscles up to a working temperature.
2) To (gently) stretch them to a point where they can be ready for the day's activity.
3) To get your cardiovascular system into an optimal state.
4) To be ready for the appropriate amount of intensity, espeicially if you are doing 100% standing start efforts in your events (500M, Kilo, Team Sprint).
You'll see via the responses that some people do the same warmup regardless of the day's agenda. Some will slightly alter the warmup. I like to alter the warmup based on what I'm doing that day.
Wamups are a very personal thing. Some people need 15 minutes and they are ready for a 60 Lap Points race or a Match Sprint. Others need at least an hour and a half. You'll have to figure out what works for you.
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In an 81" gear on 4.5" rollers:
10min at 100rpm
10min at 110rpm
5min at 120rpm
10min at 100rpm
10min at 110rpm
5min at 120rpm
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Thanks....that's the kind of what I was looking for. Most if not all of us have a "standard" warm up when we are out at the track. But that is a rather lengthy process for a roller work out - for me at least. So I was wondering what others do. Can you just hop on the rollers and go, or do you need the same type of lengthy warm up? Here is what I did find online.....British Cycling / Insight Zone
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Completely, and also can be unique day-to-day. Sometimes I show up to the track and my legs are ready to go after 5mins of easy quick spinning. Some days its like they never warm up. A HR monitor or power meter could probably give you more feedback than 'feel' of course.
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Does anyone know of any front axle nuts that are slightly smaller diameter than what I'm guessing is fairly standard? Here's why... building track bike for my wife and here is the dropout for the Leader fork (1805 TR) I have:
All the axle nuts I have (lower one in that photo) are just slightly too big to fit into that opening. The upper nut is from a road skewer/axle I use for a road wheel that I sometimes use on track bike... about 2mm less in diameter, and fits neatly into the dropout.
All the axle nuts I have (lower one in that photo) are just slightly too big to fit into that opening. The upper nut is from a road skewer/axle I use for a road wheel that I sometimes use on track bike... about 2mm less in diameter, and fits neatly into the dropout.
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Does anyone know of any front axle nuts that are slightly smaller diameter than what I'm guessing is fairly standard? Here's why... building track bike for my wife and here is the dropout for the Leader fork (1805 TR) I have:
All the axle nuts I have (lower one in that photo) are just slightly too big to fit into that opening. The upper nut is from a road skewer/axle I use for a road wheel that I sometimes use on track bike... about 2mm less in diameter, and fits neatly into the dropout.
All the axle nuts I have (lower one in that photo) are just slightly too big to fit into that opening. The upper nut is from a road skewer/axle I use for a road wheel that I sometimes use on track bike... about 2mm less in diameter, and fits neatly into the dropout.
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I'm posting in the "Ask Scrod" thread. Scrod is a Leader dealer and owns a shop. Hopefully, he'll answer.
Edit: I misunderstood his reply. Curious situation.
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Okay, think we got it figured out. I have 3 sets of front (9mm) track nuts, and they are all identical outer diameter to my 10mm rear track nuts. But based on this photo of dura ace track nuts, it seems that 9mm track nuts are supposed to be slightly smaller external diameter. Odd part is these ones I have came from different sources. One set was stock on my first track bike (Fuji Track Pro), one set from chinese carbon wheels (which is easier to understand being non-standard). Always something...
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Rear:
all measure 22mm
Front:
Generic: 21mm
Dura Ace: 20mm
Hed: 19mm
Hope that helps.
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Dura-Ace Track Nuts are amazing. You don't realize how good they are till you use others. For example, the nuts that come on the Zipp 900 disc have very narrow shoulders. So, if you use an angled 15mm wrench, the wrench easily jumps off the nut when you apply force.
Also, they don't seize up over time nearly as quickly as the Formula and off-brand nuts will.
If you have the extra cash, they are worth it: https://www.benscycle.com/p-1532-shi...e-hub-nut.aspx
Also, they don't seize up over time nearly as quickly as the Formula and off-brand nuts will.
If you have the extra cash, they are worth it: https://www.benscycle.com/p-1532-shi...e-hub-nut.aspx
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Yeah, he's referring to the thread pitch of the nuts. Standard is 10mm TPI (threads per inch) for rear and 9mm TPI for front. I didn't realize that the diameter of the washer changes as well.
What front hub are you using?
Do you have this problem with other nutted track front wheels?
EDIT: I just read your replies in that thread duh
What front hub are you using?
Do you have this problem with other nutted track front wheels?
EDIT: I just read your replies in that thread duh
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I just measured my track nuts. I have generic nuts (problem solvers, I think), some on my Hed Stinger 6/9 combo, and some dura ace wheels. Here are the OD measurements of the captive washer.
Rear:
all measure 22mm
Front:
Generic: 21mm
Dura Ace: 20mm
Hed: 19mm
Hope that helps.
Rear:
all measure 22mm
Front:
Generic: 21mm
Dura Ace: 20mm
Hed: 19mm
Hope that helps.
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Do you people change gears much during training? Or is there say times of a training block you run a different gear? I know a few guys that train on a smaller (as in easier) gear at the start of the season to work on cadence, and then move to a bigger gear later in the season, but I dont really understand the point of this, especially as there isn't much of an 'off season' with us with indoor tracks.
Some days our coach will tell us to move to a smaller gear so we can have an 'easier' day but really we are still killing it its just at higher cadences/slightly slower speeds.
Some days our coach will tell us to move to a smaller gear so we can have an 'easier' day but really we are still killing it its just at higher cadences/slightly slower speeds.
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Do you people change gears much during training? Or is there say times of a training block you run a different gear? I know a few guys that train on a smaller (as in easier) gear at the start of the season to work on cadence, and then move to a bigger gear later in the season, but I dont really understand the point of this, especially as there isn't much of an 'off season' with us with indoor tracks.
Some days our coach will tell us to move to a smaller gear so we can have an 'easier' day but really we are still killing it its just at higher cadences/slightly slower speeds.
Some days our coach will tell us to move to a smaller gear so we can have an 'easier' day but really we are still killing it its just at higher cadences/slightly slower speeds.
That said, I did spend a good portion of my winter training on a single speed bike for the sole goal of working on my leg speed ... my biggest weakness in previous years.
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Do you people change gears much during training? Or is there say times of a training block you run a different gear? I know a few guys that train on a smaller (as in easier) gear at the start of the season to work on cadence, and then move to a bigger gear later in the season, but I dont really understand the point of this, especially as there isn't much of an 'off season' with us with indoor tracks.
Some days our coach will tell us to move to a smaller gear so we can have an 'easier' day but really we are still killing it its just at higher cadences/slightly slower speeds.
Some days our coach will tell us to move to a smaller gear so we can have an 'easier' day but really we are still killing it its just at higher cadences/slightly slower speeds.
Usually something like:
Warm-up - 86 or 88
Flying or accel activations - 92, then 98
Starts - 102, then 104, then 106
Warm down - 88
Obviously this varies according to what I am doing...
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Sounds good, kind of what I was hoping to hear actually. I want to start doing more pursuit training at race speed but don't want be pushing a massive gear for the rest of the session obviously. At my track I don't see anyone changing gears much, most people have NEVER changed gears lol
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Sounds good, kind of what I was hoping to hear actually. I want to start doing more pursuit training at race speed but don't want be pushing a massive gear for the rest of the session obviously. At my track I don't see anyone changing gears much, most people have NEVER changed gears lol
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I can't imagine not changing at least for warmup. I get lazy sometimes with not wanting to swap out chainrings, but 16t for warmup always! At the Tue/Thu night organized workouts, we end with the motor game. So that will be 2 changes: 16t for warmup, 15t (usually) for interval work, and 14t for motor game.
I change gearing a lot sometimes going +/- 2 inches from race gears for a 3 interval set.
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I got my bergstrom track adapter plate last night. Now I'm just waiting for the shop to finish up building my wheels and I'll have a track bike!