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Old 11-13-17, 07:10 PM   #1401
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I don't think I'd really call them a Scatto knock off. Their shape is fairly different in the drops area. The flat aero profile top seems to be about the only thing they share, but they share them with a whole array of other sprint style bars.
I thought LOOK copy when I first saw them, the first gen LOOK sprint bars at least.
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Old 11-13-17, 07:17 PM   #1402
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I think most Madison riders still prefer a flat horizontal grip. But it's a question of being able to adapt to inconveniences for a perceived advantage. A narrower bar is often preferable in a Madison in order to do a proper throw where you want the two riders as close as possible. That 2nd photo is pretty text book. It's not so good if it cuts down on stability by decreasing reach or makes the grip on the tops questionable. I've adapted to doing madison's on my scattos despite the questionable top section, but I would definitely prefer a different shape near the stem. It's an interesting idea.
You'll know more than I on the subject, but I'd imagine as long as you can fit a hand next to he stem there should be enough room for the throw.
Even with the narrow top on my nitto's I could probably make do, though I'd prefer the oversized alpina top or a lot of tape for my big mits
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Old 11-13-17, 10:39 PM   #1403
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I remember reading that they were using a more narrow hub spacing on those bikes too, but haven't heard anything about that since.
They do have goofy spacing. If you actually want/can pony up the money for the FRD version, it's sold with two wheelsets (training/racing) because of said proprietary hubs. They bike is pursuit only, according to everything I've heard with regards to riding it. They're apparently too soft for bunch races.
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They do have goofy spacing. If you actually want/can pony up the money for the FRD version, it's sold with two wheelsets (training/racing) because of said proprietary hubs. They bike is pursuit only, according to everything I've heard with regards to riding it. They're apparently too soft for bunch races.
I remember Felt saying that and thinking, how soft can they really be? They do need to handle starts without flexing the BB into the wheels, and Valente/Dygart/Hammer/Catlin ride their first kilo faster than a lot of racers can kilo. And Lea rode one in the Olympics too - he's huge, and powerful. I'm sure they made some sacrifices in the design, but I'm guessing the "TT use only" designation is as much due to Felt not making a stem for it that accommodates a drop bar as it is whatever stiffness/narrowness tradeoffs they made. TT integration only.

All speculation though. Haven't heard feedback from any of its users.

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Sir Chris Hoy interview: GB icon on the cut-throat world of elite sport, personal sacrifices and life after the track - Mirror Online
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In the book Heroes Villains and Velodromes , Hoy is quoted as saying that he trains even on Christmas day. Why? Because he assumes that his competition is taking the day off and every little advantage helps. That's the state of mind that it takes to accomplish what he's accomplished.

Team GB even had a Sports Psychologist on staff to help the team deal with the mental stress of training, racing, and personal life. It worked. I believe his name was Dr. Steve Peters.
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sQUAD goals.

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sQUAD goals.

The guy third from the left is Roy van den Berg, a few stats for you, https://www.beatcycling.club/en/team/?filter=pro-team

Particularly like his squat PB of 265kg!
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The guy third from the left is Roy van den Berg, a few stats for you, https://www.beatcycling.club/en/team/?filter=pro-team

Particularly like his squat PB of 265kg!
...and 2,715W.

R.I.P. cranks and pedal spindles.
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sQUAD goals.

It's funny that Theo Bos looks so skinny here, and yet he looked huge with roadies.
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How do they wear pants?
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Old 11-14-17, 08:36 PM   #1413
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Viviani's bike is looking quite festive:

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Looks like it was a gift from Pinarello for winning Olympic Gold:

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They say that gold glows shimmer shines ... put it as you want but the Olympic Gold is something unique #celebrationbike @pinarello_official @teamsky THANK YOU for these 3 Magnificent Years
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Good interview with Dan from Team KGF

https://www.velouk.net/2017/11/17/fe...gham-team-kgf/
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https://www.velouk.net/2017/11/17/fe...gham-team-kgf/
That's a great interview. Lots of good info!
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Jeez. Built in 2003...and has never hosted a race...even a local one.

It's a SchŁurmann track to boot. This is CRAZY.
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Old 11-19-17, 10:26 AM   #1420
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This an interesting article I read a while back, especially in light of a recent discussion we had about mavic comete/io vs. Zipp wheels: Relentless Pursuit of Cycling Aerodynamics ? Part 3. Track Bike Aero Test. - Fit Werx
I missed this post. Thanks!

Wow. The Zipp 808 + Sub9 Disc rode faster than Mavic Double Discs?!
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I’m around the same build as him and I’m nowhere near his cda
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Wow. The Zipp 808 + Sub9 Disc rode faster than Mavic Double Discs?!
Yeah I think it's important to note that the 19c vittoria pista tires were at 200psi for testing and would have likely been faster at a more reasonable 140-160. Not sure if they still would have been as good as the clinchers. I'd also be curious how the T4 would have done with a mavic disc in front and the Zipp in the back.

I'd really like to see how fast a tubular wheelset would be with a fully hardening cement vs. clinchers like he used. There are not insignificant losses with tubulars due to the fact that the tires "squirm" against the rim. Of course this would be feasible only for a big event as its not very reliable over time and a huge pain.
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Straight up shellac makes for the lowest rolling resistance when itcomes to gluing tubs. Next in line is 3M FastTac. Those would be what you want to test with. On a well made wooden track you can go much higher on psi because the tire doesn't have to deform like it does on concrete or asphalt tracks.
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https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/rolling-friction-resistance-d_1303.html
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Yeah I think it's important to note that the 19c vittoria pista tires were at 200psi for testing and would have likely been faster at a more reasonable 140-160. Not sure if they still would have been as good as the clinchers. I'd also be curious how the T4 would have done with a mavic disc in front and the Zipp in the back.

I'd really like to see how fast a tubular wheelset would be with a fully hardening cement vs. clinchers like he used. There are not insignificant losses with tubulars due to the fact that the tires "squirm" against the rim. Of course this would be feasible only for a big event as its not very reliable over time and a huge pain.
Yup. And the Tubular version of the Zipp Super 9 ($2700) is the Zipp 900 tubular and that wheel is $900 less than the Super 9 at $1800.

I think the biggest takeaway is that if you go straight tubular:

Zipp 808 Track: $1100 MSRP
Zipp 900 + Track Axle ($100): $1900 MSRP
Total: $3,000

is on par with:

Mavic Comete Front: $2,900 MSRP
Mavic Comete Rear: $2,900 MSRP
Total: $5,800

That extra $2,800 can be put to use in other ways to make a sprinter or pursuiter faster. Upgraded helmet, bars, frame, coach, wind tunnel time, etc... That's real.

BONUS: It's uncommon to use the Comete front outdoors and for mass start. It's very common to use the 808/900 combo in any conditions.
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