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Old 07-10-18, 05:45 AM
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I heard the Cervelos were not stiff enough for some of them. Relatively reliable hearsay.
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Was just looking at some older pics in this thread, there are photos of Wiggins and Cavendish in a Madison, Cav on a UKSI bike, Wiggins on a cervelo. Seems like it's been an issue for a couple of years.
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I heard the Cervelos were not stiff enough for some of them. Relatively reliable hearsay.
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Hindes has at least one Cervelo (likely several were made for him), yet he rides the much-older-tech UKSI and did so in the 2016 Olympics.

Sorry, don't have time to link pics. But, they are all here:

https://www.instagram.com/phindes/
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1st and ONLY pic of the new Cervelo T5 (9 JULY 2016): https://www.instagram.com/p/BHpjHiYD...ken-by=phindes

Every other pic on his IG, including Olympic races, shows the UKSI bike.

Cervelo (arguably) has better credentials than Argon18, yet they missed the mark with the T5. Yes, some of the British Sprinters did use it, but the latest pic I've seen of Kenny in comp was also on the UKSI frame. If Cervelo hit the mark, then it would be hands-down better than the bikes made before 2012.

This is a recent and directly relevant example of the potential for failure that Argon18 + AIS face right now.
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Late 40 Keirin racers vs Mid 20 Olympic speed skaters

Odd number racers are the speed skaters and even number racers are the keirin racers.
Number 5 racer is Olympic Gold medalist(speed skating)

i was told that Korean Speed Skater uses track bike to train in summer

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I missed that part. Why would USA Cycling need outside money?



Jamie Staff said that very thing several times back in 2010 when he was leading the USA Sprint program. I recall hearing it either on a YouTube interview or podcast.

Staff was witness to probably the best recruiting and nurturing programs around while with British Cycling. Joanna Rowsell and Laura Kenny, née Trott were around that age when they were discovered and put on bicycles. They weren't outstanding junior racers before that. They also turned Hoy and Pendleton from pretty good into some of best ever.

We need a long-term program. Not one that gets reinvigorated 2 years before the Olympics then dismantled the week after...which seems to be how we do it
Bit late for the comment, sorry about that, but Laura was not "discovered" by British Cycling coaches. She was breaking National Records in the Under 12's category and continued to break records all through her Youth and Junior years - long before she was old enough to be picked up by the British Cycling programs which helped her develop into the athlete she is now.

See pages 57, 82, 83 and 88 of this list of historical British track records if you really care for the details!

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Was just looking at some older pics in this thread, there are photos of Wiggins and Cavendish in a Madison, Cav on a UKSI bike, Wiggins on a cervelo. Seems like it's been an issue for a couple of years.
Some pro riders have contracts that specify what make bikes they may ride. I know of two national teams where this applies to some riders (sorry I can't divulge due to NDAs).
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Bit late for the comment, sorry about that, but Laura was not "discovered" by British Cycling coaches. She was breaking National Records in the Under 12's category and continued to break records all through her Youth and Junior years - long before she was old enough to be picked up by the British Cycling programs which helped her develop into the athlete she is now.

See pages 57, 82, 83 and 88 of this list of historical British track records if you really care for the details!

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Thanks for the correction!

I think many of the news articles leave out such details. For example, here are consecutive paragraphs on her wikipedia page:

Early life

Laura Trott was born a month prematurely in Harlow in Essex with a collapsed lung and was later diagnosed with asthma. She was advised by doctors to take up sport in order to regulate her breathing. She enjoyed and competed in trampolining but had to give up due to respiratory problems. She grew up in Cheshunt in Hertfordshire, where she attended Turnford School. Her older sister Emma Trott is a former road racing cyclist.

Together with her sister, she began cycling when her mother did so to lose weight.

Career

She won two junior titles at both the 2009 and 2010 British National Track Championships, and placed third in the individual pursuit at the latter to win a place in the 2010 European Track Championships team pursuit squad aged just 18. After winning gold at the Euros, she went on to take her first world title at the 2011 championships, again as part of the team pursuit squad. In the run-up to the 2012 Olympics she won a further two World and two European golds, in both the team pursuit and the ominum, before securing her place in the Great Britain team as those events made their Olympic debut.
I assumed that the 2009 and 2010 success were her age 17-18 big splash into the scene after some small training prior (like Mathilde Gros of France).

After reading your post, I found more detail in this interview: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ck-london-2012, which still fails to mention her junior records.

All that being said (and I still stand corrected) but Laura Kenny didn't seem to be the perennial junior cycling athlete that shows up at every junior nationals with junior careers like Jamie Staff, Hoy, and Pendleton who both had BMX careers prior.

I guess it's a case of the news reports sticking with the juicy bits. Kinda like Philip Hindes' story. It was portrayed as though he was new to track cycling when Team GB found him in 2012 and made him Man1 for Team Sprint just months before the Olympics. But, he'd been a world-class junior making the podium at junior worlds before that.
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Old 07-11-18, 08:27 PM
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2018 USA Masters Track Nationals starts today in Trexlertown, PA (TTown, 333M outdoor).

Results can be found here: https://legacy.usacycling.org/2018/m...rack-nationals
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Technically it's juniors until the 10th, then masters after that until the 15th.
OK. Results from Days 1 and 2 are up now and I assume that they'll continue to be posted going forward.

If you want to see how us old masters are riding in the US, go there and poke around and see the results and times.
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1:09 for the 35-39 Kilo. Pretty stout

Heath Dotson (Ex-Cyclist on many forums, also runs the aerocamps at A2 Wind Tunnel) crushed the 45-49 IP (3:35) almost 7 seconds to second! Not bad for a triathlete
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1:09 for the 35-39 Kilo. Pretty stout

Heath Dotson (Ex-Cyclist on many forums, also runs the aerocamps at A2 Wind Tunnel) crushed the 45-49 IP (3:35) almost 7 seconds to second! Not bad for a triathlete
Morelock, are you racing up here or just looking at the results?
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Old 07-12-18, 07:21 AM
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Morelock, are you racing up here or just looking at the results?
Just looking at results this year... I (wrongly) picked my State TT to do instead.
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Max Levy doing the team pursuit at German nationals, qualified 2nd with his team and is riding for gold later today.
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Max Levy doing the team pursuit at German nationals, qualified 2nd with his team and is riding for gold later today.
Nice!

Isn't there a strategy where a TP team will use one person to get them up to speed and/or pull more laps than normal then "burn out" and drop off and let the other 3 finish for time? Is there a name for that and is that what they seem to be doing?
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Max Levy doing the team pursuit at German nationals, qualified 2nd with his team and is riding for gold later today.
Levy retweeted this article: https://www.lr-online.de/sport/news/...d_aid-23910187

Has pics and even video of the ride.
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I don't think that there is a name for that strategy, but he ended up riding 5.5 of the first 10 laps, one guy skipped his turn, and that leaves only two laps each for the remaining six laps.
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Nice!

Isn't there a strategy where a TP team will use one person to get them up to speed and/or pull more laps than normal then "burn out" and drop off and let the other 3 finish for time? Is there a name for that and is that what they seem to be doing?
Mehdi Kordi method, developed by Team KGF

https://twitter.com/danbiggles22/sta...448528386?s=21

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Mehdi Kordi method, developed by Team KGF

https://twitter.com/danbiggles22/sta...448528386?s=21
Maybe Kordi developed it years ago and/or he added more science and structure to it? I've seen it done long before Team KGF was even formed. I think the first time I saw it was at Masters Nationals in 2009 when I started the sport.

I noticed Hammer would sometimes take more pulls than the other ladies years ago.
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Maybe Kordi developed it years ago and/or he added more science and structure to it? I've seen it done long before Team KGF was even formed. I think the first time I saw it was at Masters Nationals in 2009 when I started the sport.

I noticed Hammer would sometimes take more pulls than the other ladies years ago.
Don't think I go back in the sport as long as you, lol. Saying that. it's the first time I've seen anything like that at a top level event, with the guy changing and slotting in at 3.
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This strategy has been around for ages. I stopped racing competitively over 12 years ago and this was something that was going on before I even started racing. We used this technique when I was a junior 20 years ago, and it was easily standard practice back then, and even before that.

Strategy will be highly individual to each team. The great thing about the TP is that there are so many variables to manipulate. Even as a sprinter, I really enjoyed doing the TP. I believe it is the ONLY endurance event that a sprinter can excell in. It is short enough, yet submaximal, with chance for recovery. It would be really neat to see a full team of elite level sprinters put together a full TP.
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This first I saw this was when the GB team subbed in Kian Emadi (who at the time was a kilo/TS rider) for the first few laps of TP and then he pulled out. 2010ish maybe?
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Maybe Kordi developed it years ago and/or he added more science and structure to it? I've seen it done long before Team KGF was even formed. I think the first time I saw it was at Masters Nationals in 2009 when I started the sport.

I noticed Hammer would sometimes take more pulls than the other ladies years ago.
Currently Chloe Dygert pulls for over half the TP for the US women anyway
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The Australian masters men TP record is a team of sprinters set this year. One guy is more of an all rounder but the rest are genuine (record holding) sprinters
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I wasn’t really referring to sprinters in TPs, more so the dropping into third place on the change. It’s worth saying also that Jonny isn’t really a sprinter, he’s more of a kilo/pursuiter
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Lol, just seen a notification that British Cycling are bringing in qualification times for the IP and TT in the 2019 Nat Champs. 4'25" for the mens IP, 63s for the Kilo, 3'45" for the women's IP and 36.5s for the TT. A friend has looked at this years results and says that there would be only 8 men in the IP and Kilo, 11 in the women's IP and 6 in the TT. Takes out approx' 50-75% of this years field. Madness! Are there time qualifications in anyone else's Nat Champs?

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