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Old 11-04-17, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
I thought you didn't like your tk1. Why'd you go back?
I knew this would come up

My complaints about the 2010 TK1:

A) Tilting Ritchey seat mast topper (deal breaker)
B) Largest size was 57cm TT
C) 40mm offset fork

I was talking with my bike fitter about the issues one day about how I didn't have the tilting seat or fork offset issues with my Tiemeyer. He was quiet then said, "Do you still have the Tiemeyer?" I did. He also said that both the Tiemeyer and TK1 were too small for me. But, moving back to the Tiemeyer would at least eliminate the deal-breaking seat issue that lost me races. I sold the TK1, rode the 57cm Tiemeyerand and ordered a new 58cm Tiemeyer that addressed all 3 of those issues (ableit only 1cm longer but with a 15cm head tube instead of the 11cm on the previous...I should have had it made at least 2cm longer at 59cm).

Nowadays, I want a 60-61cm TT. There are only a few high-end bikes that come that long. Many are labeled "60cm" but are not. The 60cm Fuji carbon actually has a 58cm TT. The "60cm" Koga has a 57cm TT. So, the TK1 and Cervelos have the longest top tubes (that I can recall off hand).

Since then, Felt went to the 3T seat mast stopper with the indexed DIFF-LOCK system, that addresses issue A.
They also increased the TT length 3cm which addresses issue B.
They still have the 40mm offset fork (issue C). This is my only concession.

The TK FRD (TK1) is the best bike for me right now that:
- Addresses all of the deal-breaking issues (seatposts slipping, toppers tilting, dropouts slipping, etc...)
- Has the reach I need.
- Is high quality.
- Is available.
- Is fancy


Random fact: The bike weighs 8.3kg/18.5lbs as pictured above. That's only 1lb lighter than the 61cm steel Snyder.

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Old 11-04-17, 08:35 AM
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Cool - hope it works for you!

Yeah those things are tanks. Even the small ones are. The conventional fork is lighter - the big block of metal that makes up the bayonet attachment is a real anchor. Good thing it doesn't matter.

I just switched from a carbon bike that required a Garmin to make weight, for a muuuch beefier alu bike. I just out a heavy crank system on it and chuckled at the weight difference.
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Old 11-04-17, 08:38 AM
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Dude, the 2010 Bayonet fork was even heavier. It weighed as much as an All City steel fork I had laying around.

This new one is on a serious diet. It also has a HUGE opening for the wheel. I have to tilt my speed sensor waaaaay over for it to feel the wheel magnet.
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Old 11-04-17, 08:43 AM
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Also, the conventional fork sidesteps some of the flex and squeeking issues that some people have with the Bayonet system. Also, you get to use standard stems.

If I have issues with the Bayonet, I'll see about ordering a standard fork that they now put on the complete TK1.
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Old 11-04-17, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Very nice, Pierrej.

If you like leather straps, maybe consider NJS straps. They are pricey, but it's worth it. They have 3 layers and don't stretch or flop around like single layer straps.
Proper njs straps are the plan, those are just some mks straps my lbs had that work enough for peace of mind. High pedal tension has been enough so far but I didn't overly want to leave it all down to the plastic cleat.

Event though I'm a sucker for metal and round tubes that Felt looks very cool mate!
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Old 11-04-17, 09:45 AM
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Interesting. Doesn't look it from the pics, but it sounds like it has a pretty solid revamp... Even though it looks the same.
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Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
Interesting. Doesn't look it from the pics, but it sounds like it has a pretty solid revamp... Even though it looks the same.
Thanks. Did a shakedown ride today. It feels really good. I'm very happy.

Now I just have to continue to train to actually be as fast as the bike looks
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Old 11-04-17, 06:15 PM
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New racing wheels!
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Old 11-05-17, 02:51 PM
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Very nice! I've heard nothing but good things about FFWD wheels. Everyone I know who has some raves about them. Never heard a bad thing.
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Old 11-05-17, 02:51 PM
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Trying out 35cm Scattos.

Thanks for the wet sanding advice. I did everything you guys suggested. Turned out great!

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Old 11-11-17, 12:32 PM
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A friend has just built this up, hes going to use it for his accreditation
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So nice.
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Old 11-11-17, 12:42 PM
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It just looks so right. It’s a world champs, or something similar, winning frame, he got it from a friend down under.
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Old 11-13-17, 05:22 AM
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I am helping my Korean friend to trade his BT to Look 496
Please tell me if this is not allowed
I will be doing all translations and other

Have
BT Stealth 55cm
BT Stealth(55cm)
Fierce Titanium Keirin Crank(made in Korea) 167.6mm ceramic bearing
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Look handlebar 37cm(painted)
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He is located in South Korea
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Old 11-13-17, 09:30 AM
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I am helping my Korean friend to trade his BT to Look 496
Please tell me if this is not allowed
I will be doing all translations and other
Seems like you probably wanted to post this in the trading thread.

https://www.bikeforums.net/track-cycling-velodrome-racing-training-area/925916-trading.html
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Originally Posted by hrothgar42 View Post
seems like you probably wanted to post this in the trading thread.

Trading
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Oops
I made a mistake
Sorry about that
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Old 11-15-17, 01:03 PM
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@carleton How would you compare the ease, speed and simplicity of changing from drop bars to TT bars with the TK FRD compared to a standard setup ?
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@carleton How would you compare the ease, speed and simplicity of changing from drop bars to TT bars with the TK FRD compared to a standard setup ?
The hard way to swap drop and aero bars on either style bike is by removing 4 bolts from the stem then removing the bars from the stem. The easy way for a standard bike is to have a stem dedicated to each handlebar. That way, you just loosen the stem's clamp on the steerer and remove the steerer cap and swap like that. The same goes for using the TK1 / TK FRD Bayonet system. If you leave a stem AND a "foot" (that attaches to the frame) dedicated for each bar, then it's as simple as removing 3 bolts.

A slight edge goes to the Bayonet system being that you don't have to deal with steerer tube spacers or centering the bars.

One note: If you have a standard bike, you should already have a separate stem for your aerobars anyway because of the drop and reach differences between the types of bars. If you are using the same stem (or same stem dimensions) for both aero and drop bars, one of those setups is probably waaaay out of wack for your fit.
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Old 11-15-17, 01:32 PM
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UPDATE:

I'm really digging the 35cm Scattos over the 33cm Alpinas...for now. I'm pretty sure that I'll change my mind as the wind blows in different directions.


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I know that the TK FRD comes with multiple length stem but I didn't know it came also with multiple "stem foot".

For a standard fork, having dedicated stem for each bar setup you have is the best and is the setup I have for my dolan. I could get a good deal on a 2015 TK FRD to replace the DF3 I currently have (DF3 is too small for me) but had reserves about the stem system and seatpost of the TK FRD.
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Old 11-15-17, 02:09 PM
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I know that the TK FRD comes with multiple length stem but I didn't know it came also with multiple "stem foot".

For a standard fork, having dedicated stem for each bar setup you have is the best and is the setup I have for my dolan. I could get a good deal on a 2015 TK FRD to replace the DF3 I currently have (DF3 is too small for me) but had reserves about the stem system and seatpost of the TK FRD.
The Bayonet system also comes with like 5x31.8mm stems, 5x26.0mm stems (an aerobar standard), an Ergostem thingy to turn it all into an Ergostem.

The seatmast is replaceable. So, if you cut it too short, just pull it out and replace it. Also, when I had mine cut, I had the guy cut some 5mm and 1cm shims so that I could insert them under the mast cap to go back up if needed.

ALSO, you can run a standard fork in a TK1 or TK FRD. Actually the current TK1 uses a standard fork. So, if the Bayonet system doesn't suit you, just order a standard fork from Felt. Any standard fork should work provided you use the right bearings and the offset is 40mm or more.

This is a standard fork using a standard stem on the 2016+ TK1:

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A replacement Bayonet fork and stem kit is like $900. I that they keep the cost of the complete TK1 kit down by using a standard fork.

EDIT:

I was confused by this, too.

The older TK1 came with a Bayonet system:



I don't know when (wasn't paying attention), but one day they switched the colors and started shipping the TK1 with a standard stem. Maybe when the offered it as a complete bike?



Now the TK FRD frame kit is the only one with a Bayonet system (even though I suspect you can buy a Bayonet stem/fork system and put it on the current TK1).



The TK FRD is not to be confused with the $2,6000 USD TA FRD used by some in the Olympics:


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Old 11-15-17, 02:27 PM
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That's interesting. Does they bayonet have any real advantage over the standard fork?
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That's interesting. Does they bayonet have any real advantage over the standard fork?
In my opinion, no. I think it was tech handed down from their road TT bike where the competition to be different is much more fierce than on the track.

I've used:

- Standard fork/stem systems
- 2010 Felt TK1 with Bayonet
- LOOK 496
- Felt TK FRD with Bayonet

And there were not significant differences. Sometimes there's the odd squeak in the Bayonet system somewhere. But, after torquing everything down, it goes away. The LOOK was a pain in the ass because getting alternate length stems was impossible...but the Ergostem is sweet. Felt takes care of that by graciously shipping the Bayonet system with all the stems that one would ever need...plus an ergostem. Very cool of them to do that.
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