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Vegans

Where are my fellow Veg-Heads?

Been a Vegan for 6 years and absolutely love it. Coupled with the fact that the lifestyle saves lives and fights climate change, I believe more should adopt the lifestyle.

It is funny when omnivores state,"stop pushing your veganism on me." The reason it is funny is because everywhere you go there is an commercial/statements about how meat is good for you and that one should be eating it.

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Old 12-02-15, 08:48 AM
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I am a vegan too and agree with you.
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I am a vegan for the last 10 years and love it . Meat is good for you ? from those factory farm animals . I do not push my life style to anyone but hate it when someone says to me you are too skinny .
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Anish, aka Heather Anderson, is the only person who's ever held the fastest known time record on the PCT and AT. She averaged 45 miles per day on foot for 2 months, carrying everything on her back, on a vegan diet.

That's an average elevation gain of a mile per day on the Crest Trail.
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Old 12-02-15, 10:50 AM
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I personally am comfortable being an omnivore but I do try to eat mostly vegetarian. My hat is off to those of you who can go vegan.
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How can you tell a vegan? No need to, they'll tell you.
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Ironically, the rude have arrived.
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I like celery as well as the next guy (with cream cheese)... and, kimchi stew too but in addition to tofu, doesn't it also have bits of assorted beef ribs and spam?
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Originally Posted by DosWheelsBtr View Post
Where are my fellow Veg-Heads?

Been a Vegan for 6 years and absolutely love it. Coupled with the fact that the lifestyle saves lives and fights climate change, I believe more should adopt the lifestyle.

It is funny when omnivores state,"stop pushing your veganism on me." The reason it is funny is because everywhere you go there is an commercial/statements about how meat is good for you and that one should be eating it.
Good for you.
I was debating some positives about vegan with a fellow vegan racer and he was suprised to learn that the Maasai not only do they eat predominately meat but they drink the cows blood yes live for many years yes the cows are grass fed . I think vegan diet is good, I just love my red meat.
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Old 12-02-15, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
How can you tell a vegan? No need to, they'll tell you.
There is always one. aha. Nice to see some fellow vegans here on the board.
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Old 12-02-15, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Anish, aka Heather Anderson, is the only person who's ever held the fastest known time record on the PCT and AT. She averaged 45 miles per day on foot for 2 months, carrying everything on her back, on a vegan diet.

That's an average elevation gain of a mile per day on the Crest Trail.
Sounds interesting, will def. look into that. thanks for bringing that to my attention.
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The truth is most long distance thru-hikers follow something close to a vegan diet for most of their time on the trail. Animal products just don't keep that well in a backpack for days or weeks at a time.

Here's an article on Anish.

She did it again! Anish sets self-supported Appalachian Trail hiking record | The Spokesman-Review
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- There are absolutely ZERO benefits to being a vegan.
- Veganism is unhealthy.
- Veganism is an ideology for some people, almost like some kind of a religion.
- Some of the healthiest and longest living people in this world eat bacon, eggs and butter.
- I am not a cow or a rabbit or a canary. I eat meat, fish, a lot of vegetables, fruits and dairy products.
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Originally Posted by DosWheelsBtr View Post
I believe more should adopt the lifestyle.
Your beliefs are yours alone and it doesn't mean that everybody else should follow what you believe is right.
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Old 12-02-15, 05:24 PM
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What did the cavemen call "vegans"? Bad hunters, lol....

I have adopted a semi vegan diet. Some days (in a row) I will eat no meat, then the rest of the week, I eat regular food as usual. It is my goal to extend the vegan days to 3-4 a week, and perhaps more than that as time goes on and I adapt.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Anish, aka Heather Anderson, is the only person who's ever held the fastest known time record on the PCT and AT. She averaged 45 miles per day on foot for 2 months, carrying everything on her back, on a vegan diet.

That's an average elevation gain of a mile per day on the Crest Trail.
Of course the deal-breaker can be protein. The protein/carb thing is interesting. One needs however many carbs for energy, but the protein requirement is relatively fixed. She probably averaged ~8000 calories/day, which made it easy to get enough protein in that fraction of her diet. Even so, she got really weak after a few weeks of the PCT and had to redo her diet to include more protein. IOW, hard to get enough protein on a recreational cyclist's calorie requirements, which is why I've ridden with liver-and-onion eating vegan bike tourists. There's the B12 thing too, another deal-breaker.
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I'm not a vegan. I no longer eat much red meat, though, and I certainly think we'd do a lot better in terms of the environment, the efficiency of food production and in human health if red meat was seen as an occasional luxury rather than a staple. Protein really isn't a huge problem, the nutritional profile of lentils and other pulses is superb: and @wolfchild and I have discussed in another thread the fact that the Irish navvies who dug the canals and railroads in the industrial revolution got plenty of protein on a high-carb diet that was light on meat but very heavy on grains and potatoes.

B12 is no problem for me because I eat dairy and shellfish. Clams and mussels are excellent sources of B12 and iron as well as protein. Not sure what I'd do about B12 as a vegan, I'm not sure how the B12 in supplements is derived.
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If what you are eating/drinking dairy wise has been pasteurized, ALL the microbes in it, good and bad, have been killed.
If you cook your meat, then ALL microbes in it, good and bad, have been killed.

B12 is a microbe.
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You can take B12 shots. (most effective) or supplement through chewable tablets. I say chewable because digestion starts in the mouth and chewing turn s on the process. This is opposed to just swallowing a pill. Also, can get B12 through soy due to fortification,
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What is everyone's favorite Vegan dish to make? I really like potatos and curry, mac and "cheese", bananas
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Originally Posted by Harvieu25 View Post
If what you are eating/drinking dairy wise has been pasteurized, ALL the microbes in it, good and bad, have been killed.
If you cook your meat, then ALL microbes in it, good and bad, have been killed.

B12 is a microbe.
No, it isn't. It is synthesised by bacteria (microbes, if you will) but it is not itself a microbe, it is a warter-soluble compound. Cooked meats and shellfish are a good source of B12.
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Of course the deal-breaker can be protein. The protein/carb thing is interesting. One needs however many carbs for energy, but the protein requirement is relatively fixed. She probably averaged ~8000 calories/day, which made it easy to get enough protein in that fraction of her diet. Even so, she got really weak after a few weeks of the PCT and had to redo her diet to include more protein. IOW, hard to get enough protein on a recreational cyclist's calorie requirements, which is why I've ridden with liver-and-onion eating vegan bike tourists. There's the B12 thing too, another deal-breaker.
Anyone can preach, as you've demonstrated. But the proof is in the pudding.
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Anyone can preach, as you've demonstrated. But the proof is in the pudding.
Which is exactly what I'm saying. Results matter. Which is why we had vegans eating meat and a paleo eating wheat. They were hurting and off the back by the end of the 3rd day and eating off their diet on the 4th. Then they were OK again. None of them have gone back to their strict diet. It's not impossible, just when you're doing fast touring day after day in Montana.

Cyclists when training need more protein than even bodybuilders because we burn so much when we ride hard. Be that as it may, here's a sample diet and workouts from a vegan who has gotten results: Getting Big & Strong On A Vegan Diet!
Note the differences between his diet and what most folks eat.

I eat no meat nor chicken and very little fish or seafood. I do eat dairy products, mostly in the form of whey protein, and ~4 eggs/week. I probably could use plant protein sources instead of whey, but I can't think why I would when what I'm doing works so well, tastes good, and is so inexpensive. But for sure I notice a huge difference in results with protein intake and especially with its timing. And I'm sure not giving up home made pasta!
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- Majority of vegans are deficient in some important nutrients
- Vegan diet won't improve your athletic or cycling performance
- Vegan diet is not a guarantee for longer healthier life
- Vegan diet won't prevent or reverse climate change
- A balanced diet should include vegetable and animal products

Only modern people in western countries would willingly reject meat, fish and dairy and adopt a vegan diet for " health or moral reasons"...None of the past old-time societies, cultures, tribal societies would reject meat and fat for health reasons...
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