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Old 04-26-17, 09:17 AM
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processed foods and your performance?

thinking of changing my diet again. I like to ask if you all think that in today's foods. such as the processed foods and chemicals etc.
do you think those have negative effects on an athletes performance?
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"Processed" foods doesn't have a very clear definition, like a strawberry from the garden is clearly unprocessed, and some microwave crap from the frozen section is clearly processed, but there's a large gray area in between. Pretty much anything people do to a food to make it more edible is processing. How much is too much is entirely up to opinion, and it's something everybody is going to disagree on (devil is in the details).

Also, anything you can touch is a chemical. Chemical just means a physical thing in the world. Water is a chemical.

I think training and recovery and nutrition affect our performance, but eating things like peanut butter or oatmeal (those are both processed foods) probably won't cost anybody a place on the podium.
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When I got busy and went a few weeks without making salads, I noticed I felt more sluggish when training. I'm convinced it makes a difference. And I don't even have a microwave or eat fast food. (Except for pepperoni pizza now and then.)

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its kinda like this, you buy a ferrari, do you put in regualr gas or the best gas? if you want your machine (body) to perform at its maximum, than you need to give it the best fuel you can
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Junk food and processed food doesn't necessarily have a negative effect on your performance, some junk food can actually increase your performance...However, there are negative long term health effects from eating too much junk...I like to think long term, life is more then just performance, there need to be a balance between health and performance.
Exercise can only do so much, if you eat like crap all the time it will catch up with you as you get older.
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I eat cookies and Krispy Kreme donuts and chocolate whenever possible. Oh, and a stuffed crust pepperoni pizza from Pizza Hut every week (well, I share it with the family).

I still manage to win a race here and there.

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You are overthinking the whole eating situation. Keep it simple ...

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My doctor REALLY does NOT like highly processed foods. Two foods he'd ban if possible because he calls them "Heart attacks" are processed cheeze slices/spreads and coffee whiteners. He claimsthatthe body doesn't even recognize those as food.

That's not to mention that so many processed foods are very high in sodium or sugar.

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Originally Posted by Miele Man View Post
and coffee whiteners. He claimsthatthe body doesn't even recognize those as food.
Coffee whitener isn't a food. In fact it's an utterly pointless ... item.


I'm a black coffee drinker, but I can understand why some people like putting milk or cream or chocolate into coffee. It's a flavour thing.

But a substance just to make coffee look lighter in colour**********? That's just weird.
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Well.. I think there isn't really much harmful if taken in moderation.

I'll take a creamer if there is nothing else and occasionally make a grilled cheese sandwiche for the family but the point is not to make those things a constant choice. The human body is pretty wonderfully adaptable. It's why people can eat pop tarts while riding hard but might suffer if they ate them every day for breakfast.

For my part I've moved far from processed foods towards whole foods mainly because I want to know what I'm eating and because I enjoy the act of cooking. As I get older I find I have to be more conscious of my "calories in" and don't want to waste them on stuff that has little nutritional value.

However, I grew up in the generation that drank Koolaid and Tang, ate hotdogs and Spam and sandwiches with luncheon meat that had orange stuff around the edges.. and we never knew what that stuff was, so I'm confident in my ability to overcome the occasional food related chemical cocktail. Someone once told me the orange stuff was supposed to be pimento to which I replied: What's a pimento?

Most days though, I can tell you exactly what I've consumed for all my meals as they come from base natural ingredients that I've prepared. I spend 1 hour a week preparing all my breakfasts and lunches and cook leisurely in the evening when I have more time. Last night it was Nacho chips with cheddar cheese and sauted Portabello mushrooms in olive oil.

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Originally Posted by CanadianBiker32 View Post
thinking of changing my diet again. I like to ask if you all think that in today's foods. such as the processed foods and chemicals etc.
do you think those have negative effects on an athletes performance?
and health
For sure. Good example with bike perfomance and quality of fuel.
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I don't know what effect your diet has on athletic performance, but I suspect good food is good for you and non-good food is less good for you. My goal is to eat -- as much as possible -- things my grandmother (born in 1895) would have eaten or made. Flour is processed, but if she baked bread, I'm sure she would have bought flour and not milled grain herself. If a food has an ingredient that my grandmother never heard of, I try to avoid it. There are exceptions, but this is the basic idea.
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Originally Posted by lurker44 View Post
its kinda like this, you buy a ferrari, do you put in regualr gas or the best gas? if you want your machine (body) to perform at its maximum, than you need to give it the best fuel you can
The best fuel for a Ferrari would be more highly processed than regular.
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The only really bad thing about processed food is that they usually put a lot of sodium in it. That's not good. Plus it's too easy to eat too many calories with some things. But basically it's all fuel. Humans have a terrifically wide and healthy dietary range. We're omnivores. For a serious cyclist, there's day-to-day food and there's on-the-bike fuel. They're usually different. I never met anyone who ate salad while riding.

Off the bike, I eat natural foods. On the bike, I eat whatever is high in calories, digests easily, and involves little or no chewing.
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The only really bad thing about processed food is that they usually put a lot of sodium in it. That's not good.
It can be good if you ride in the desert, in summer, and after two hours of sweating your helmet straps are covered in dead sea levels of salt.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
"Processed" foods doesn't have a very clear definition, like a strawberry from the garden is clearly unprocessed, and some microwave crap from the frozen section is clearly processed, but there's a large gray area in between. Pretty much anything people do to a food to make it more edible is processing. How much is too much is entirely up to opinion, and it's something everybody is going to disagree on (devil is in the details).

Also, anything you can touch is a chemical. Chemical just means a physical thing in the world. Water is a chemical.

I think training and recovery and nutrition affect our performance, but eating things like peanut butter or oatmeal (those are both processed foods) probably won't cost anybody a place on the podium.
Thank you voice of common sense

I hate how people throw around buzz words like "chemical" without understanding what they actually mean. Penn and Teller did a bit a while back where their people approached the general public with petitions to ban dihydrogen monoxide (water). Amazing how many people signed after a few buzz phrases were thrown around like "it's a solvent used in industry", "it is showing up in babyfood and even breast milk", "it is a major constituent of diarrhea and vomit", etc, all of which is true but misleading if you aren't well informed.

There was a huge blowup a while back about cheese manufacturers putting "sawdust" in some of their products (parmesan cheese was frequently mentioned). What is actually being added to the cheese is refined cellulose . . . insoluable plant fiber . . . you know . . . that stuff everyone is supposed to eat more of and the health food stores are full of supplements to help you get it. Plant fiber comes in two broad categories, insoluable and soluable, both have health benefits in appropriate quantities. Cellulose can be isolated from almost any plant source, including wood, but once refined, cellulose is cellulose. It is added in tiny amounts to some hard cheeses to make them easier to grate and prevent clumping of the grated product. Any food that comes from a plant that has a cell wall contains cellulose. Your blueberries have cellulose, your oatmeal has cellulose, your bran muffin is full of cellulose. You'll get more cellulose from a whole wheat ******* than you will from a whole block of hard cheese. The only place it becomes a problem is if it is used in sufficient quantities that it becomes a filler to cut the cost of production. It's like saying that a manufacturer who uses salt as an ingredient is putting rocks in your food, not completely untrue, but alarmist and misleading.

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I can't believe it The cyber gods actually sensored the word *******, as in Ritz *******, graham *******, saltine *******, Polly wanna *******.

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My second year of racing, I cut out of my diet all bleached flour, most non whole-flour, sucrose (almost entirely and this was before the new sugars), foods high in sodium, all un-cured milk products, red meat. I ate small amounts of poultry and fish (all way from home). Protein primarily from cheese, yogurt and beans. Lots of veggies and fruit every day.

I felt unbelievably good. Yes I was at racing weight, 145 pounds, 14 lighter than now. But I felt 50 pounds lighter (when my legs didn't feel like lead from riding!)

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I can't believe it The cyber gods actually sensored the word *******, as in Ritz *******, graham *******, saltine *******, Polly wanna *******.
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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy View Post
The only really bad thing about processed food is that they usually put a lot of sodium in it.
It may be the worst thing, but it's not the only thing!

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I never met anyone who ate salad while riding.
OK, that's funny.

Your other points are good, though. I deleted them for brevity.
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I can't believe it The cyber gods actually sensored the word *******, as in Ritz *******, graham *******, saltine *******, Polly wanna *******.
Heh. If you want, you can spell it c-r-a-c-k-e-r.
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Originally Posted by cellery View Post
It can be good if you ride in the desert, in summer, and after two hours of sweating your helmet straps are covered in dead sea levels of salt.
Actually all that salt excretion is a result of a diet too high in salt. We perform better in the heat on a low salt diet. See: Does a High Sodium Diet Inhibit Endurance Performance and Health? | Hammer Nutrition
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I hate how people throw around buzz words like "chemical" without understanding what they actually mean.
I first became consciously aware of that phenom while attending Horticulture College during the "organic" movement. In the media I would hear one thing and in class I would learn that most of it was bogus feel good hype.

Then it was low/fat free/light, green, gmo free and now gluten free/celiac but after that initial experience I've learned to look at the science behind the fads.
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Actually all that salt excretion is a result of a diet too high in salt. We perform better in the heat on a low salt diet. See: Does a High Sodium Diet Inhibit Endurance Performance and Health? | Hammer Nutrition
I have no doubt that this is true, but people do get salt depleted at times. It has happened to me, and it's unpleasant. Do you have a way of preventing that?
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