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Old 12-22-17, 09:56 AM
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A scale/weight pattern question

I have noticed a pattern over the past couple years and I'm wondering if this sounds familiar. I weigh myself on a digital scale that consistently gives the same weight as the Doctor's scale at my gym. I've tested this many times and am always amazed that they are exact. Here's a recent example of what happens. I will weigh myself at, say, 190. The next day I will weigh 189. The next day 188 and so on until I reach 185. Then the progression will begin upward at 1 lb a day until I get back to 190. To eliminate variables I have monitored what I eat and drink just to assure myself that there is consistency to my behavior. Just wondering if this happens to anyone else and, of course, if there's some "scientific" explanation for the pattern. FWIW, the actual numbers are not my interest for the purposes of this inquiry. It's the pattern.
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Old 12-22-17, 10:29 AM
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I've noticed patterns in my weight that seem pretty consistent, but I've never noticed anything that has that long of a period.

Bedtime weight is 2 lbs heavier than morning weight, and morning weight is 3 lbs less than dinner weight!
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Old 12-22-17, 10:42 AM
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I always weigh myself early in the morning. Might be interesting to see how/if it fluctuates at different times of the day.
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Old 12-22-17, 11:11 AM
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I also weigh myself every morning. Your pattern might have something to do with your workout pattern. I have a chart with my weight and morning HRs and workout TSS. In my case, consistent workouts produce weight loss. Inconsistent produces weight gain.
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Old 12-22-17, 01:46 PM
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I weigh myself first thing before going to the gym...about 8-9 AM.
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Old 12-22-17, 05:26 PM
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Once a week weigh IMO. Same day every week, AM on getting up - naked and after pee. Much more meaningful and easier to track. I like Wed. to stay away from weekend sins.
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Whereas I like to know the results of my sinning . . . and my starving. A lot of my weight change comes from eating other people's cooking. We apparently use a good bit less salt than many and thus I water bloat easily. Sure can tell who cooks low-salt. I'm of the opinion that more information is better than less. But I suppose not everyone is that calm about a gain the next morning.
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The biggest short term impact on weight is water retention due to sodium levels. If I go out to dinner or eat sushi (generally accompanied with soya sauce) I can easily gain 3-4 lbs overnight. How quickly it comes off depends on the time of year. In the summer I can sweat out the extra sodium in one ride. In the winter it might come down by 1/2 to 1 lb/day. You might want to look at your eating patterns.

I recently started running and noticed that sore legs also seem to come with extra weight that goes away.
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Old 12-23-17, 02:58 PM
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Once a week weigh IMO. Same day every week, AM on getting up - naked and after pee. Much more meaningful and easier to track. I like Wed. to stay away from weekend sins.
It's not my habit to weigh myself daily. I only started doing that when I thought I saw a strange pattern and was curious to see if it was indeed a pattern.
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Old 12-23-17, 06:28 PM
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The evening that I returned from T-giving weekend at the in-laws, I was up 8 lbs...24 hours later I had lost 6 of it,

It's not uncommon for me to fluctuate 5lbs up and down within 24hrs...I generally look at the low end as my "actual" weight...usually in the morning.
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Old 12-24-17, 04:05 AM
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I weigh myself in the morning, but will usually weigh myself after a workout also. If my after-workout weight goes below the prior low I know I've made some progress. I just assume when I'm dehydrated I'll get the lowest weight and then even when I re-hypdrate myself I've still lost something. But morning weight is what I put in my log, except that I haven't been doing that lately.
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a few notes from a professional- I've had patients gain and lose as much as 10 pounds with constipation and a bowel movement. If you aren't used to a high salt diet, you might retain more fluid after higher salt meals.. again- I have seen much larger gains than people expect (my dialysis patients who drink too much have gained as much as 20 pounds in a 3 day period of fluid- generally goal is less than 3% of body weight, but things happen sometimes and some of them are not as compliant as others). yes that amount is more than we can safely remove easily.

Other things that people don't consider: what are you wearing on the scale? is it the same every day? If you have clothing on- are things in the pockets? Even a cell phone impacts weight. My patients weigh themselves publicly at the scales in the clinic. coins in a pocket, keys, different shoes, shorts vs long pants etc are all things that impact the weights and if they change we can leave fluid on or try to take too much off.
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Old 12-25-17, 08:22 AM
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I weigh myself w/o clothing after a morning BM every time. Before eating or drinking anything. Trying to account for variables.
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Old 12-25-17, 07:47 PM
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Mine just stays the same no matter how hard I work out lol. Pisses me off too as of late.
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Originally Posted by ctpres View Post
Once a week weigh IMO. Same day every week, AM on getting up - naked and after pee. Much more meaningful and easier to track. I like Wed. to stay away from weekend sins.
I do this, but on Monday. I figure it may motivate me to stay a bit less sinful on the weekend.
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I don't weigh myself everyday, but when I do I try to make it as consistent as possible: same time of day, empty bladder and bowel, totally naked. I even take off my watch and wedding ring.

As khyricat said above, hydration and water retention has a surprisingly large effect. That's been my observation.
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Having done my experiment to determine if there is a pattern (there is) I am back to weighing myself once a week or less.
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Hmmm... did your pattern peak around December 25th or 26th?
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
The biggest short term impact on weight is water retention due to sodium levels. If I go out to dinner or eat sushi (generally accompanied with soya sauce) I can easily gain 3-4 lbs overnight. How quickly it comes off depends on the time of year. In the summer I can sweat out the extra sodium in one ride. In the winter it might come down by 1/2 to 1 lb/day. You might want to look at your eating patterns.

I recently started running and noticed that sore legs also seem to come with extra weight that goes away
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Water in the muscles for repair purposes.
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Originally Posted by bruce19 View Post
I weigh myself w/o clothing after a morning BM every time. Before eating or drinking anything. Trying to account for variables.
This is what I do, too. Every morning unless I'm away from home. Record the number in Garmin Connect, and then I more or less forget it.

I have an almost daily chart of my weight going back three years.

It looks very erratic, it's not linear at all. Some days I'll weigh exactly the same as the day before, but other days the scale will shift several pounds in either direction.

It's good to have the data for context. The trend is what matters for weight management. But, also, it helps me understand my performance on various rides or ski tours, which is good for predicting things like how long a trip is going to take me (I did this similar thing in 3 hours and I weighed 5 pounds less at the time, etc) or how much to bite off.
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Old 01-08-18, 04:35 PM
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It's true that weight can vary quite a bit from day to day due to water and other factors. To me this doesn't really mean that weighing less often makes sense. If you weigh once a week and you're down 2lbs since last weigh-in, how do you interpret that? Did you lose real weight, or is it just a down day due to water or something else?

To me, frequent weigh-ins make more sense; you just have to look more at trends than daily fluctuations. I use http://trendweight.com with my wi-fi scale. Weight gets recorded every day, but it uses a running average to show you a weight trend that is for more useful than any single data point. For this type of monitoring, more data points = better (assuming you have reason to track your weight).
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