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Keto Diet

Anyone have good luck with it and cycling? With it and carbon fiberboys training tips, It easier for me to keep weight off. I will say that I hate sweets. That may help. lol
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Anyone have good luck with it and cycling?

I tried very low carb diet twice for a few months and I don't think I would ever do it again. I experienced way too much weight loss.... Lack of fibre is a problem on keto diets, our bodies need fibre to function properly and stay healthy.


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I will say that I hate sweets.

The only sweet things that I hate is artificial sweeteners, I think artificial sweeteners are worse than sugar and will cause weight gain just like too much sugar does. With sugar at lest your body can use it for energy but artificial sweeteners are just chemicals which make no positive contribution to our bodies. I don't really crave sweets too much and use sugar very sparingly only during/after workouts. My only sweet indulgence are dried figs and dates, I like them a lot.
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I'm close to keto, although I really don't give a damn if I'm in ketosis or not. I'm on a low carb high fat diet to control my blood sugar and keep my blood glucose from ever getting above 130. That limits my intake at any given meal to around 25 carbs. Until I broke my hip last Saturday, I was doing around 125 miles a week -- 2 35 mile rides during the week, and 1 50 to 60 miler on the weekend. The 35 mile rides don't give me any problems, ever, even if I do them before having breakfast. That's probably because your muscles have around 1500 calories of glycogen in storage, and 35 miles, even with a fair amount of climbing, isn't going to use up much more than 600 (unless you're some sort of racer outputting 500 watts all the time).

I've had problems at the 40 to 45 mile mark on longer more strenuous rides. So I eat a nut bar with about 20 carbs at the 40 mile mark. Also, I may have an extra little bowl of berries for breakfast before the ride, and that works perfectly for me.

If you're getting all your carbs from veggies and fruits, fiber is no problem at all.

Also, I've found that even though most starches don't work with an LCHF routine, sweet potatoes are an exception, at least for me. They have half the carbs as normal potatoes. I have them once a week in moderate amounts, and it doesn't spike my blood glucose.
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I'm close to keto, although I really don't give a damn if I'm in ketosis or not. I'm on a low carb high fat diet to control my blood sugar and keep my blood glucose from ever getting above 130. That limits my intake at any given meal to around 25 carbs. Until I broke my hip last Saturday, I was doing around 125 miles a week -- 2 35 mile rides during the week, and 1 50 to 60 miler on the weekend. The 35 mile rides don't give me any problems, ever, even if I do them before having breakfast. That's probably because your muscles have around 1500 calories of glycogen in storage, and 35 miles, even with a fair amount of climbing, isn't going to use up much more than 600 (unless you're some sort of racer outputting 500 watts all the time).

I've had problems at the 40 to 45 mile mark on longer more strenuous rides. So I eat a nut bar with about 20 carbs at the 40 mile mark. Also, I may have an extra little bowl of berries for breakfast before the ride, and that works perfectly for me.

If you're getting all your carbs from veggies and fruits, fiber is no problem at all.

Also, I've found that even though most starches don't work with an LCHF routine, sweet potatoes are an exception, at least for me. They have half the carbs as normal potatoes. I have them once a week in moderate amounts, and it doesn't spike my blood glucose.

That stinks about the hip! How did it happen? Its really working for me. The scale hasnt been really kind but Im on the 2nd new belt loop and had to tape my wedding ring and my neck is nice and slim around the jaw line. I rode today and didnt have alot of power but I think its still early. I did order some of those keto strips to see how far into keto I was. I dont eat more than 20 carbs per day. Most days, generally, during the week, less than 10.
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That stinks about the hip! How did it happen? Its really working for me. The scale hasnt been really kind but Im on the 2nd new belt loop and had to tape my wedding ring and my neck is nice and slim around the jaw line. I rode today and didnt have alot of power but I think its still early. I did order some of those keto strips to see how far into keto I was. I dont eat more than 20 carbs per day. Most days, generally, during the week, less than 10.
A freak, stupid accident. I had just clipped in, and I was looking for a way through a bunch of parked cars. My front wheel hit one of those 4" high concrete parking barriers, my bike stopped, and I couldn't unclip in time, so I landed with my full weight right on my hip, breaking the femur clean through just below the ball. Even though I had the accident while biking, biking put me in such good shape that people can't believe how fast I'm recovering.
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A freak, stupid accident. I had just clipped in, and I was looking for a way through a bunch of parked cars. My front wheel hit one of those 4" high concrete parking barriers, my bike stopped, and I couldn't unclip in time, so I landed with my full weight right on my hip, breaking the femur clean through just below the ball. Even though I had the accident while biking, biking put me in such good shape that people can't believe how fast I'm recovering.
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Old 12-27-17, 02:46 AM
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I tried very low carb diet twice for a few months and I don't think I would ever do it again. I experienced way too much weight loss.... Lack of fibre is a problem on keto diets, our bodies need fibre to function properly and stay healthy.
Isn't one of the pillars of the keto diet to eat a whole lot of leafy greens and veggies that are low in carbs? If most of your diet consists of veggies I seriously doubt fibre is going to be an issue. The success of the keto diet is more dependent on the variety of foods one eats than the actual diet type it is.

The only sweet things that I hate is artificial sweeteners, I think artificial sweeteners are worse than sugar and will cause weight gain just like too much sugar does. With sugar at lest your body can use it for energy but artificial sweeteners are just chemicals which make no positive contribution to our bodies. I don't really crave sweets too much and use sugar very sparingly only during/after workouts. My only sweet indulgence are dried figs and dates, I like them a lot.
While there seems to be some evidence for artificial sweeteners in having an effect for weight gain, it is far from conclusive. One for one I'd wager that if one consumes a litre of sugary sodas a day when compared to a litre of artificially sweetened sodas a day, the person intaking all the sugar is going to gain more weight.

The chemicals may not make a positive contribution but there are also no real evidence of negative contributions either. That said, carbs and fats are also chemicals. It's a big word and should be used sparingly.

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I'm close to keto, although I really don't give a damn if I'm in ketosis or not. I'm on a low carb high fat diet to control my blood sugar and keep my blood glucose from ever getting above 130. That limits my intake at any given meal to around 25 carbs. Until I broke my hip last Saturday, I was doing around 125 miles a week -- 2 35 mile rides during the week, and 1 50 to 60 miler on the weekend. The 35 mile rides don't give me any problems, ever, even if I do them before having breakfast. That's probably because your muscles have around 1500 calories of glycogen in storage, and 35 miles, even with a fair amount of climbing, isn't going to use up much more than 600 (unless you're some sort of racer outputting 500 watts all the time).

I've had problems at the 40 to 45 mile mark on longer more strenuous rides. So I eat a nut bar with about 20 carbs at the 40 mile mark. Also, I may have an extra little bowl of berries for breakfast before the ride, and that works perfectly for me.

If you're getting all your carbs from veggies and fruits, fiber is no problem at all.

Also, I've found that even though most starches don't work with an LCHF routine, sweet potatoes are an exception, at least for me. They have half the carbs as normal potatoes. I have them once a week in moderate amounts, and it doesn't spike my blood glucose.
Why do you try to limit your blood glucose from hitting 130?

Also I suppose the carbs in sweet potatoes when compared to ordinary potatoes are dependent on the varieties compared, but according to our national database sweet potatoes have 16.8 grams of carbs per 100 grams of product while ordinary potatoes have 15.5 grams of carbs per 100 grams of product so they're very close. The more analyzed breakdown of sugars shows that potatoes have more starches while sweet potatoes have more sugars and glucose.
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Why do you try to limit your blood glucose from hitting 130?

Also I suppose the carbs in sweet potatoes when compared to ordinary potatoes are dependent on the varieties compared, but according to our national database sweet potatoes have 16.8 grams of carbs per 100 grams of product while ordinary potatoes have 15.5 grams of carbs per 100 grams of product so they're very close. The more analyzed breakdown of sugars shows that potatoes have more starches while sweet potatoes have more sugars and glucose.
There doesn't seem to be universal agreement on when neuropathy starts to occur, but several studies have linked high post meal bg to nerve damage. Since I already have it in my feet, and I don't want it to get any worse, I try to keep it under 130 or 140 all the time. And for the past 2 years it's worked -- I haven't "cured" the neuropathy I already have, but it hasn't gotten worse, either.

Once I looked up the carb content of sweet potatoes, and the result said that it was half that of regular potatoes. But now I've looked it up again, and that's clearly wrong. There's not that much difference, so I stand corrected. Oh well, I was only eating them once every two weeks, so not big loss.
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There doesn't seem to be universal agreement on when neuropathy starts to occur, but several studies have linked high post meal bg to nerve damage. Since I already have it in my feet, and I don't want it to get any worse, I try to keep it under 130 or 140 all the time. And for the past 2 years it's worked -- I haven't "cured" the neuropathy I already have, but it hasn't gotten worse, either.

Once I looked up the carb content of sweet potatoes, and the result said that it was half that of regular potatoes. But now I've looked it up again, and that's clearly wrong. There's not that much difference, so I stand corrected. Oh well, I was only eating them once every two weeks, so not big loss.
Isn't glucose related peripheral neuropathy mainly a diabetic issue? At least that is my understanding. On top of that it usually requires years and years of bad glucose control to develop, hence why a lot of people with MODY for example never develop it.

Then again I checked the wikipedia page on peripheral neuropathy and there seems to be a huge host of possible causes other than diabetes.
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Isn't glucose related peripheral neuropathy mainly a diabetic issue? At least that is my understanding. On top of that it usually requires years and years of bad glucose control to develop, hence why a lot of people with MODY for example never develop it.

Then again I checked the wikipedia page on peripheral neuropathy and there seems to be a huge host of possible causes other than diabetes.
Yes, it is, and I had very bad glucose control for many years. I have no doubt my bg at times was in the 200's. When I got neuropathy, that kind of shocked me out of my lethargy. I'm 50 pounds lighter and eat much, much healthier than I use to. My doctor told me that because of my age, it would be very unlikely to regain peripheral nerve function in my feet, but that if I kept doing what I'm doing, I probably could keep it from getting worse. I think my being in such good shape now was largely responsible for my quick rehab from the broken hip. Even better, the surgeon (who told me in the operating room it might be 3 to 6 months before I could ride again) told me yesterday that I might be on the road in 4 to 6 weeks.
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Some may have good weight loss results with keto, or become more fat adapted. But I wouldn't touch keto with a 10 foot pole simply for general health reasons.

Bacon and eggs for breakfast with butter in your caffeine simply isnt heart healthy. The keto diet seems more like a hollywood style diet.

Im not saying to go super low fat or high carb either. Stick to plant foods and listen to your body if it needs more fat, carbs, or protein. Dont bother counting the numbers. Everyone needs different macros at different times.

Avoid processed sugar and oil, eat plants as close to the natural state as possible. Eat whats in season.

Avoid animal products, simply for health reasons. There is just too much evidence pointing to heart disease, diabetes, endocrine system damage, cancer, etc... Your body works better if its not having to fight these things, or trying to digest flesh for 3 days. You would be hard pressed to find evidence linking plant foods to these problems.

And don't give me those crap studies saying cholesterol and saturated fat from animal products is actually good for you. Olive oil healthy, red wine healthy? Surely a salad with lemon juice, or a glass of water is more optimal. And a McMuffin must be healthy because eggs are a good source of protein? Do you really think the cholesterol, saturated fat and methionine is worth the trouble when a mix of the right nuts, seeds, and legumes give plenty of high quality protein? Give me a break...

Go buy a Vitamix, toss in the good stuff and get your ass out the door. Thats what I do...

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I agree that bacon and eggs may not be the most healthy solution but so far it is working very well for me. I am losing lots of inches and tho the scales have not been so kind, the mirror and clothes fitting have. My target weight for my height is 162 pounds and I am far from that at 192. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, I hate sugar and sugary, sweet foods so this style of salty eating is something that is easy. I do need to incorporate some greens which I do not like at all (with the exception of green beans, I love)
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Avoid animal products, simply for health reasons. There is just too much evidence pointing to heart disease, diabetes, endocrine system damage, cancer, etc...

There is absolutely ZERO evidence that eating animal products in MODERATION contributes to health problems.


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Your body works better if its not having to fight these things, or trying to digest flesh for 3 days.

What ??...3 days to digest flesh ??...sure maybe if you eat a whole cow and drink all of it's milk at the same time in one sitting while being sedentary for the next 3 days.
A chicken breast takes only few hours to digest, eggs and yogurt only about one hour...Vegetarian foods such as beans, nuts and legumes take longer to digest than some animal foods.
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I have had good luck with keto and all forms of cardiovascular endurance training. I am able to work more with much much less fueling. I have also found a decrease in inflammation (particularly knees), and so can train daily now, which used to be too little recovery for me.
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Low Octane Fuel = low performance
High Octane Fuel = high performance
calories in verses calories out

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I have had good luck with keto and all forms of cardiovascular endurance training. I am able to work more with much much less fueling. I have also found a decrease in inflammation (particularly knees), and so can train daily now, which used to be too little recovery for me.
It's a good adaptation to have and can help prevent a bonk, but it won't make you faster.
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