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Old 12-18-18, 12:29 PM
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Curious what the intended benefit of using creatine is? My limited knowledge / reading finds it helps build muscle mass in body builders, not something most cyclists are interested in.
creatine is an energy source used during anaerobic metabolism so good for short duration intervals etc or weight training in the offseason. Lets you do more work and recover faster between sets
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Its basically a moisture thing which all your bodily functions operate within.
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creatine is an energy source used during anaerobic metabolism so good for short duration intervals etc or weight training in the offseason. Lets you do more work and recover faster between sets
Thanks for the explanations, I have read about the water absorption in muscles, not the anaerobic involvement - makes sense, thanks
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Creatine phosphate in the muscles is the primary reservoir of high-energy phosphate that is used to regenerate ATP rapidly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphocreatine
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Originally Posted by srode1 View Post
Curious what the intended benefit of using creatine is? My limited knowledge / reading finds it helps build muscle mass in body builders, not something most cyclists are interested in.
According to research, people taking creatine have more high intensity energy and recover more quickly from using it. So a bigger matchbook in cycling terms. There's been extensive research into creatine in cyclists showing higher peak power and better numbers in the < 1 minute range generally. Look into ATP.

​​​​​​Some research shows that it may make people smarter. This seems to be more controversial.

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Some time ago wrestler buddy told me to take it before work outs . it worked back the n for weights and calis .

But the last time i added it in my legs felt so weak and mushy . i could feel a negative impact on my performance . taking it after workouts As suggested by a cyclist .

I usually do protien powder as soon as possible after all workouts . and some greek yogurts some time after .
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
According to research, people taking creatine have more high intensity energy and recover more quickly from using it. So a bigger matchbook in cycling terms. There's been extensive research into creatine in cyclists showing higher peak power and better numbers in the < 1 minute range generally. Look into ATP.

​​​​​​Some research shows that it may make people smarter. This seems to be more controversial.

Not everybody responds to the stuff.
Creatine is likely the more researched supplement ever after protein. However, it doesn't work for everyone. Some people show noticeable results, while others show little to none. Unfortunately, I'm part of the latter group.
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Some time ago wrestler buddy told me to take it before work outs . it worked back the n for weights and calis .

But the last time i added it in my legs felt so weak and mushy . i could feel a negative impact on my performance . taking it after workouts As suggested by a cyclist .

I usually do protien powder as soon as possible after all workouts . and some greek yogurts some time after .
Creatine doesn't do that, it just works or it doesn't. You may also want to wait a while after your workout before taking your protein powder.
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Does ingested creatine get absorbed in the gut and transported to muscles intact, or is it digested?
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Creatine is likely the more researched supplement ever after protein. However, it doesn't work for everyone. Some people show noticeable results, while others show little to none. Unfortunately, I'm part of the latter group.Creatine doesn't do that, it just works or it doesn't. You may also want to wait a while after your workout before taking your protein powder.
It depends on the persons diet...Vegetarians are more likely to notice results because they don't eat flesh and only flesh contains creatine..People who eat meat or fish daily get a small dose of creatine from their food and as a result their muscles are more saturated with creatine but even meat eaters can still benefit form supplementation...Post-workout is the best time to take it.
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Does ingested creatine get absorbed in the gut and transported to muscles intact, or is it digested?
absorbed into the blood in the small intestine
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absorbed into the blood in the small intestine
This is why I have scrupulously avoided teaching metabolic biochemistry.
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Does ingested creatine get absorbed in the gut and transported to muscles intact, or is it digested?
Depends? If you refer to digestion as a need for further breakdown before entering the bloodstream then no, since creatine is already an amino acid -- the absorption form of a protein into the bloodstream. I generally take those terms for granted since few of us segment the digestive process unless we're being scientific or very specific.

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It depends on the persons diet...Vegetarians are more likely to notice results because they don't eat flesh and only flesh contains creatine..People who eat meat or fish daily get a small dose of creatine from their food and as a result their muscles are more saturated with creatine but even meat eaters can still benefit form supplementation...Post-workout is the best time to take it.
Makes sense now that you mention it. My red meat/pork intake are already high (2-3 times/wk), so my body probably already has as much creatine as it can handle.
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Creatine is not one of the 20 protein-derived amino acids, and also many amino acids are often metabolized (biochemically disassembled) when they are ingested. About half of the amino acids are synthesized de novo; the others (so-called essential amino acids) have to be ingested.

Creatine is synthesized from three of the protein amino acids (arginine and glycine, and a methyl group donated by methionine) in the kidney.

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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
Creatine is not one of the 20 protein-derived amino acids, and also many amino acids are often metabolized (biochemically disassembled) when they are ingested. About half of the amino acids are synthesized de novo; the others (so-called essential amino acids) have to be ingested.

Creatine is synthesized from three of the protein amino acids (arginine and glycine, and a methyl group donated by methionine) in the kidney.
And therein lies the scientific specificity I refer to above.
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