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Old 06-28-20, 08:38 AM
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Is caffeine really that potent?

I was gonna do my longest ride yet, including highest elevation metres, so I took two caffeine pills that I still had, and I felt like I was flying, at least for the first 50-60km I could put out some good watts in a high-ish gear and my legs just felt great.

I normally don't consume caffeine at all.
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Old 06-28-20, 09:10 AM
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Uh, yup. On long rides, I take 200mg every 3 hours. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...ase-metabolism
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Old 06-28-20, 09:21 AM
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Feels like cheating though.
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Around here, the surfers take meth.
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Old 06-28-20, 02:49 PM
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I don't use caffeine pills, but I like drinking coffee. On longer rides I will stop and buy iced cappuccino or iced coffee. Sometimes I will bring my own homemade drink which contains instant coffee.
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Old 06-28-20, 02:55 PM
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caffeine can hurt too... it's blood type dependent believe it or not. If it's beneficial for you (which it is for most) then it's best used only when you need it. As in if you drink coffee everyday it's not going to help as much.
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When on multi day rides and camping, I have thrown a couple of tablespoons instant coffee into one of my bike bottles. The taste is not for everyone, but I have acquired a liking for it. You don't need to heat the water to dissolve the granules if you're not cooking breakfast anyway.
At this point in my life, caffeine just gets me up to where I can function reasonably well.

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Old 06-28-20, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by spdntrxi View Post
caffeine can hurt too... it's blood type dependent believe it or not. If it's beneficial for you (which it is for most) then it's best used only when you need it. As in if you drink coffee everyday it's not going to help as much.
Taking high doses of caffeine such as caffeine pills and using energy drinks is harmful...Drinking few cups of coffee is beneficial....The problem is that humans have a flawed logic, they think that if a little bit of something is good then more must be better. Too much caffeine will lead to addiction and dependence just like with any other drug.
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Old 06-28-20, 07:13 PM
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not blood type.. dont know what I was thinking. The is a certain DNA marker for it... so if you get a DNA test you can find out what genotype you are.
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I think so. My evening commute is made or broken by it. Or lack thereof....
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Taking high doses of caffeine such as caffeine pills and using energy drinks is harmful...Drinking few cups of coffee is beneficial....The problem is that humans have a flawed logic, they think that if a little bit of something is good then more must be better. Too much caffeine will lead to addiction and dependence just like with any other drug.
You really think so? When I bought these, it was for a specific even and I wanted to beat a friend who at the time was close to me in performance so I wanted every boost possible. I read up on it, and did not find anything about it being harmful if you take it seldom. Sure, I guess every day would be bad. Agree about energy drinks though, godknows what is in those, but these pills it literally is just caffeine and it's taken before long physical exercise maybe once or twice a month. So I will probably keep using them on very long rides, but not even normal, longer Sunday ones.
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Old 06-29-20, 06:17 PM
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Excessive caffeine has done nothing but give me massive, debilitating cramps in longer races. Also doesn't seem very effective in shorter races.

The biggest difference I've found in "feel" has been from training during weight loss (so seemingly perpetually on the edge of a bonk) and then properly fueling and excessive consumption on the bike (especially with something like maltodextrin). Malto in the bottles after periods of training and weightloss feels like NOS.
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I don't get cramps from it, but I just don't care for any caffeine during a ride. I drink coffee all day long if not riding, but I avoid it and other caffeinated beverages before and during a ride.

I do agree that maltodextrin does seem to replete spent energy quicker while riding than other carbs I've used. So if NOS is a Nitrogen Oxide System on a race car, then that's a fair analogy.
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Old 06-29-20, 11:37 PM
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Caffeine has quite a kick the first few times if you're not a regular drinker of coffee, etc. I remember buzzing like a hummingbird the first time I started drinking coffee in the Navy. But after a couple of weeks I barely noticed any effect. It still worked but was more subtle.

That initial buzz could be unpleasant and can provoke a blood sugar drop, but that effect seems to subside with regular use. I remember bonking hard during an uphill group run in military training after drinking way more coffee than usual and a bunch of donuts in addition to eggs and bacon. The sugar buzz was great for a few minutes and then I crashed, hard. Only time that's ever happened. I never tried that combo again before PT.

But the body adapts quickly and I don't notice any buzz. After awhile it becomes more of a necessity just to get moving in the morning. There's also some minor withdrawal symptoms for heavy users -- headaches, etc.

I've cut back a bit on my morning coffee, but all of my usual road snacks and gels have caffeine. My favorites are Clif mocha gel shots, and Cool Mint Chocolate energy bars. Both have about 50 mg caffeine. That's about equivalent to half of my usual mug of coffee. On a hard workout ride I'll use about one gel per hour and it helps. There's a bit more kick than the caffeine free gels and bars.

Occasionally I'll vary snacks but I have no problems with those two Clif products so I usually stick with them. I don't think I've ever had problems with any gels, but have with bars that contain sugar alcohols -- comically ferocious gas. Well, comical for me, not for anyone following me.

I take a bunch of supplements, some unproven, and it's probably just making expensive pee. But if I could keep only one, it'd be caffeine.
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Old 06-29-20, 11:53 PM
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FWIW....if I drink a lot of coffee my BP will be in the 160/100 range. No coffee and it's around 120/80.
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
Caffeine has quite a kick the first few times if you're not a regular drinker of coffee, etc. I remember buzzing like a hummingbird the first time I started drinking coffee in the Navy. But after a couple of weeks I barely noticed any effect. It still worked but was more subtle...........................
As a youngster I always enjoyed the smell of coffee while growing up but after having a sip I said NO WAY!!! will I drink this garbage. In 2015 at 65 still never having had a cup of coffee I tried a DOUBLE ESPRESSO and absolutely no reaction. Finished it and had another. Always have CLIF Shot Double Espresso 100mg caffeine gels on rides.

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