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Old 04-13-21, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
you can only lose about 5 pounds a week and keep your gall bladder.
I have found the maximum I can lose is about 2 kg a week. If you reduce calories, you have less energy, so you exercise less and rest more, and don't lose more weight.
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Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
The issue is that you can only lose about 5 pounds a week and keep your gall bladder.
Am I reading this right? Under 5lbs lost in a week, A-OK. But over 5lbs in a week and...organs will come out of my body?
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Fat hasn't been a challenge for me, It is losing it and not finding it again that is the problem. I couldn't find a stem I had lost for over a year but fat I lose a bit and the next day it is sitting their waiting for me with a big neon sign...LOL.
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Originally Posted by alo View Post
I include yogurt and cheese in dairy. They will put fat back on your body.
I'm not advocating for yogurt and cheese; just being honest about what I ate back then. I was eating roughly 4000 calories a day just to maintain weight with very little fat on me so I could afford it easily. And in the mid-70s, my diet was pretty radical. I wasn't hearing people say "you shouldn't eat dairy". What I heard was "you need meat to supply protein to maintain your muscles".
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Yep. Biking is only a part of the deal. But getting exercise and viewing food as fuel -- to be regulated in your engine -- I find is a good way to go about it. Eating smaller portions and the meals composed of simpler, natural components is a good way to go. Also -- if you can do it -- giving up nighttime snacking can go a long way. But I'm the first to admit that's a hard one for me. But it needs to be done. All of this can be done. We all know how to do it. Finding the will to execute is an entirely different matter though and that's up to each one of us.

Thanks for a great thread.
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I suggest, anyone starting this, don't eat anything after lunch. Do this for at least a few months until you get used to it.

Then only eat breakfast. Do this for months until you get used to it.

Then if you really want rapid weight loss, only eat breakfast every second day.

This is satire, right?
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Old 04-14-21, 02:23 AM
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Who knew there were so many weak-minded adults that needed to be told how and what to eat?
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Atkins would have less risk imo. Just it can be hella expensive.
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I've lost more weight than op and kept it off for several years, doing pretty much nothing like what he's describing. My weight loss advice is very simple--don't give advice, especially to people you don't know.

The key to any program is sustainability. What's sustainable varies too much from person to person for advice to be worth much.
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I include yogurt and cheese in dairy. They will put fat back on your body.
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Originally Posted by aplcr0331 View Post
Am I reading this right? Under 5lbs lost in a week, A-OK. But over 5lbs in a week and...organs will come out of my body?
Possibly a reference to rapid weight loss causing gallstones, which is a thing.

https://www.everydayhealth.com/gallb...y-weight-loss/
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5-10, 149lbs which is totally normal BMI, yet my family [half kiddingly] calls me anorexic. That's how far removed from reality we are in the USA. I see obese people eating crap all the time. At work, in the car, walking. I never eat for fun in a car, or walking. I cant even begin to fathom that. And the stuff people eat: chips, soda, 7-11 stuff. I never eat that ****. Not trying to rub anything in, just noting the dramatic differences in lifestyle. There is cause and effect.


I never eat here. Never. Its not even food.
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Originally Posted by DorkDisk View Post
5-10, 149lbs which is totally normal BMI, yet my family [half kiddingly] calls me anorexic. That's how far removed from reality we are in the USA. I see obese people eating crap all the time. At work, in the car, walking. I never eat for fun in a car, or walking. I cant even begin to fathom that. And the stuff people eat: chips, soda, 7-11 stuff. I never eat that ****. Not trying to rub anything in, just noting the dramatic differences in lifestyle. There is cause and effect.


I never eat here. Never. Its not even food.
The American way of socializing is to "share" eating traits & exchange the time spent together involving some intake of calories, unfortunately. I cannot speak for other countries, however, some of my past relatives are not natives to the soil & if the recipes that were passed 'down' to my current relatives says anything, well, it mirrors the American way too. Ever since changing my personal ways of eating habits to support my lifestyle, I've noticed less & less of relatives being a part of my life. At the end of the day, I have to take care of myself & don't expect anyone else to do it.

I thought being a kid was hard dealing with being overweight, try living happily with a diet that works well for yourself. You'll find it much harder to stay within your own diet standards.
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Originally Posted by aplcr0331 View Post
Am I reading this right? Under 5lbs lost in a week, A-OK. But over 5lbs in a week and...organs will come out of my body?
Obviously it varies between individuals, but studies have shown that rapid weight loss can lead to gallbladder disease or gallstones. And a severe case of gallstones is sometimes cured by removal of the gallbladder.
The guidelines I have seen say don't try to lose more than 5 pounds a week. That's really difficult anyway. I wouldn't worry in the first week or so, but sustained weight loss of over 5 pounds a week is probably not a good idea.

Tbf, obesity also leads to the formation of gallstones and gallbladder disease.

Moderation is a good approach.
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post
Who knew there were so many weak-minded adults that needed to be told how and what to eat?
You really werent aware that food and nutrition education are struggles for a large percentage of the population? This thread finally made you aware?
Thats insane- where have you been? Nutrition and healty eating is a massive multi-billion dollar industry that has existed for decades now.


On a serious note, its pretty damn lame to view people with weight issues and food struggles as being weak-minded. Very few in life dont struggle to properly balance some part of their life- whether its healthy eating, gambling, exercise, alcohol, drugs, emotional support of others, etc etc.
Its easy to tell someone to do better in one aspect of their life and walk away. Its many times more difficult for people to successfully change habits and lifestyle.


It must be nice to live in that glass house and not have to worry about stones. Not too many of us have such perfect control and understanding of our chemical and emotional cravings.
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Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
Obviously it varies between individuals, but studies have shown that rapid weight loss can lead to gallbladder disease or gallstones. And a severe case of gallstones is sometimes cured by removal of the gallbladder.
The guidelines I have seen say don't try to lose more than 5 pounds a week. That's really difficult anyway. I wouldn't worry in the first week or so, but sustained weight loss of over 5 pounds a week is probably not a good idea.

Tbf, obesity also leads to the formation of gallstones and gallbladder disease.

Moderation is a good approach.
See the link in post #40. It suggests more than 3 lbs increases risk. It also goes over the link between obesity and stones. So yes: moderation is a good approach.
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I never eat here. Never. Its not even food.
Ugh. Reminds me of the last time I ate something from a major fast food chain. I was doing a long weekend tour to a spot I go to a couple of times every year. 52 miles. There is a Wawa convenience store right at mile 26. Wawa (You have to know Wawa to get it.) actually has a wide variety of stuff, including healthy options like fruit. But on that fateful day I arrived to find that Wawa closed for remodeling. The only practical option was a Burger King across the street. I had not had much for breakfast and had been fighting a headwind all morning, so I ordered two breakfast sandwiches. My God. It was not food. It tasted engineered, and the amount of sodium was through the roof. Before I finished the first one I was belching. Got half way through the second and then tossed it in the trash.

Unfortunately, we are going to get showers off and on for the rest of the day. Otherwise, I would grill a whole fish for dinner and pair it with some sauteed spinach and garlic.
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Originally Posted by Ivabig1 View Post
Staying at a healthy weight is simple...burn more calories than you eat...itís not a revolutionary idea....

Wow, no one else has thought of that. Obviously, it won't be a problem for anyone anymore.
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post
Who knew there were so many weak-minded adults that needed to be told how and what to eat?
Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
You really werent aware that food and nutrition education are struggles for a large percentage of the population? This thread finally made you aware?
Thats insane- where have you been? Nutrition and healty eating is a massive multi-billion dollar industry that has existed for decades now.


On a serious note, its pretty damn lame to view people with weight issues and food struggles as being weak-minded. Very few in life dont struggle to properly balance some part of their life- whether its healthy eating, gambling, exercise, alcohol, drugs, emotional support of others, etc etc.
So far, researchers have identified over 50 genes which are associated with obesity, and they are learning more all the time about other physiological factors. Then there are socio-economic factors, such as people who live in "food deserts" and hence do not have adequate access to reasonably-priced and healthy food. The suggestion that overweight people are all "weak-minded" ignores a whole lot of documented factors.

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Ugh. Reminds me of the last time I ate something from a major fast food chain.
When people ask how I stay so slim at my age, I tell them that I ride my bikes a lot, and I never eat anything that is commonly handed through a drive-up window. That's not the whole story, of course - but it counts for a lot.
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Originally Posted by Troul View Post
The American way of socializing is to "share" eating traits & exchange the time spent together involving some intake of calories, unfortunately. I cannot speak for other countries, however, some of my past relatives are not natives to the soil & if the recipes that were passed 'down' to my current relatives says anything, well, it mirrors the American way too. Ever since changing my personal ways of eating habits to support my lifestyle, I've noticed less & less of relatives being a part of my life. At the end of the day, I have to take care of myself & don't expect anyone else to do it.
Same here! When I am around my family, seems one of the main topics is about how each family member is staying healthy by eating daily at McDonald's while choosing the healthy choices available. And if I mention eating at home is a better choice, fo'getaboutit! Another inlaw suggests that his doctor told him to keep doing what he is doing as he is keeping his diabetic numbers down. So he continues to pound vodka because the doc suggested it.

Another guy who does not touch fast food here. I actually left a bike group as the rides seem like competitive fun but the meet points are always geared toward places the riders can pound beer after the ride. Being one of the stronger riders, I can never figure out why the riders talk about getting into shape and getting faster but at the end of the ride, they feel the need to pound beer. Heck, might as well start at a McD's.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Ugh. Reminds me of the last time I ate something from a major fast food chain. I was doing a long weekend tour to a spot I go to a couple of times every year. 52 miles. There is a Wawa convenience store right at mile 26. Wawa (You have to know Wawa to get it.) actually has a wide variety of stuff, including healthy options like fruit. But on that fateful day I arrived to find that Wawa closed for remodeling. The only practical option was a Burger King across the street. I had not had much for breakfast and had been fighting a headwind all morning, so I ordered two breakfast sandwiches. My God. It was not food. It tasted engineered, and the amount of sodium was through the roof. Before I finished the first one I was belching. Got half way through the second and then tossed it in the trash.

Unfortunately, we are going to get showers off and on for the rest of the day. Otherwise, I would grill a whole fish for dinner and pair it with some sauteed spinach and garlic.

I don't eat McDonalds, other fast foods, and most chain restaurants like BlackAngus, Applebee's, Olive Garden, heck, I don't even consider those real foods. Like eating cardboard.

But on a century ride, the little group I was with could not find a nearby place to eat along Highway 1, Point Mugu. Only place around was a McDonalds. As much as I didn't want to refuel there, had no choice. I ate a Royal with Cheese (Pulp Fiction ). Man, that thing hit the spot, best tasting burger ever. I went back a few days later to the local McD's and it sucked. Must have been the long late mileage but I have to admit, I enjoyed it that ONE day.
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I don't eat McDonalds, other fast foods, and most chain restaurants like BlackAngus, Applebee's, Olive Garden, heck, I don't even consider those real foods. Like eating cardboard.

But on a century ride, the little group I was with could not find a nearby place to eat along Highway 1, Point Mugu. Only place around was a McDonalds. As much as I didn't want to refuel there, had no choice. I ate a Royal with Cheese (Pulp Fiction ). Man, that thing hit the spot, best tasting burger ever. I went back a few days later to the local McD's and it sucked. Must have been the long late mileage but I have to admit, I enjoyed it that ONE day.

Longest one day ride I ever did was 168 miles, a round trip from my home to Olneyville New York System Weiners in Providence, RI. I forget exactly how many hot dogs I ate at the 84 mile point, but I swore it was one of the best meals I ever had. I drove there with my son a couple months later because I wanted to see what I'd think if I hadn't been that famished. Now it's two of the best meals I've ever had.
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I eat at McDonald's off and on when traveling. However, being a vegetarian, the only food choice really is the egg breakfast sandwich. Real egg, sourdough biscuit, processed cheese. Not a fan of that exactly but otherwise real food.

Mostly I avoid highly processed foods, sugars and refined carbs.
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Same here! When I am around my family, seems one of the main topics is about how each family member is staying healthy by eating daily at McDonald's while choosing the healthy choices available. And if I mention eating at home is a better choice, fo'getaboutit! Another inlaw suggests that his doctor told him to keep doing what he is doing as he is keeping his diabetic numbers down. So he continues to pound vodka because the doc suggested it.

Another guy who does not touch fast food here. I actually left a bike group as the rides seem like competitive fun but the meet points are always geared toward places the riders can pound beer after the ride. Being one of the stronger riders, I can never figure out why the riders talk about getting into shape and getting faster but at the end of the ride, they feel the need to pound beer. Heck, might as well start at a McD's.
I try to avoid food topics with any family member. It's worse than talking politics. I accept that my ways will be ridiculed in some manner. So I limit my exposure like they limit there visits. Life's too short to care about what others think.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Longest one day ride I ever did was 168 miles, a round trip from my home to Olneyville New York System Weiners in Providence, RI. I forget exactly how many hot dogs I ate at the 84 mile point, but I swore it was one of the best meals I ever had. I drove there with my son a couple months later because I wanted to see what I'd think if I hadn't been that famished. Now it's two of the best meals I've ever had.
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