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Old 05-28-03, 01:30 PM
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Legs locking up.

Into an intense up hill, my legs locked up. Kind of like a cramp, only, with out much pain. I feel that I had eaten well, and hydrated a lot. Can anyone tell me why this happened?
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usually not drinking enough water will cause leg cramps but it could be you are low in some minerals... if there is no pain then I don't know, maybe a nervous system thing? Best to ask your doctor
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maybe a nervous system thing? Best to ask your doctor
Wouldn't be the first time I've been labeled high strung. I've got a 5 year physical due on Monday. I'll ask then. I was just curious if anyone on BF had a similar idea.

My nieghbors seem to think it was heat cramps, and that I was too stupid to feel the pain.
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You're not by chance using creatine, are you?
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I get the same thing, only after I've been trying to foolishly max out my speed. As far as I can tell, it's caused by a lack of stretching
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You're not by chance using creatine, are you?
No, actually, I'm not. I try not to use supplements at all. I do take a multivitamen, and vitamen E.
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My legs lock up too, and yeah, it's not really in a painful way.

Usually it's the result of my legs getting really fatigued at the end of a really long ride - like five hours with fast speeds. I can tell that when my calfs and quads start to seize that I'm about done for and I need to take it easy until I get home.

Could it be that this happened to you at the end of a pretty heavy ride?

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Could it be that this happened to you at the end of a pretty heavy ride?

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Yes, it was a pretty heavy ride.
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My first thought would be (since it was the end of the ride and not the beginning) that perhaps it's just fatigue and buildup of lactic acid, since it was a heavy ride.

If you can, when you get to the end of a heavy ride, try to spend at least 10- 15 minutes in a relatively easy spin, low gearing, and keep your heart rate low (no anaerobic efforts at all). Drink more water, add in some gatorade, and if it keeps persisting, dismount and stretch and just do a bit of walking. Try to get some extra oxygen into your body with some deeper breathing exercises that expands the chest cavity fully so you can help flush out that lactic acid, but make sure it's an active recovery (some walking or light riding, rather than ceasing all physical activity immediately).

Good idea to ask your doctor at your physical too. You never know what the real problem can be. Cbhungry, can you recommend a blood panal he could request to his doctor so his doctor can check for some mineral deficiencies?

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Good idea to ask your doctor at your physical too. You never know what the real problem can be. Cbhungry, can you recommend a blood panal he could request to his doctor so his doctor can check for some mineral deficiencies?

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The problem with alot of blood panels for minerals ie: potassium, magnesium, calcium etc. is that they only reflects serum values and not necessarily reflective of intracellular values. In certain states, ie hyperparathyroidism, chronic use of diuretics, type 4 distal renal tubular acidosis etc. these serum values are helpful and accurate but a spot check in his resting state may not be accurate.
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My doctor said don't sweat it, that it was probl. over fatigue.

The ride was fairly intense (i'll post distance and climb).

I had blood work done, but everything was normal for the most part.

I had lowish HDL (37) and low LDL (101). My glucose was.. nothing big at 86.

I use no diuretices..

I have a low heart rate (siting is 50's, sometimes 48) but higher blood presure, but have had high blood preasure all my days. (Typically 140ish).

They attribute it to "severe intense attitude towards anything".
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Wow, your HDL is low! Your risk of heart disease has just gone up by 22.5%!! For someone who exercises, it sure is low. (For every 1% decrease in HDL , your chances of heart disease increases by 3%.)

In angiographic trials, low levels of HDL-C are consistently predictive of diseased coronary arteries and high coronary stenosis scores.[31,32] Thus, the NCEP-ATP III has raised the categorical low HDL-C from less than 35 mg/dL to less than 40 mg/dL.[15]

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/442870

Must run in your family. Try salmon 2 days a week and niacin 1000mg a day (Slo-Niacin was studied in a famous cardiac trial called the HATs trial so it's the only over the counter niacin I would recommend.) www.upsher-smith.com Just couldn't help but respond to that number.
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1000mg of niacin!!! I can only imagine... the worlds worst sunburn. 60 minutes on a BBQ grill. A boiled lobster. Maybe slo-niacin avoids the problems? Whatever happened to niacinamide?
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The slow release avoids the flushing more so than the quick release niacin does not.
The immediate-release formulation is administered 3 times/day, whereas the extended-release formulation is taken once/day at bedtime. Extended-release niacin appears to be better tolerated than immediate-release niacin and is safer than the sustained-release preparation. This is possibly due to its characteristic hydrogel preparation, which renders a different bioavailability pattern.[55] A list of the most common adverse effects associated with extended-release niacin is provided in Table 5. In a study comparing immediate-release with extended-release niacin, flushing was decreased by 78% (8.56 episodes/patient/mo with the immediate-release vs 1.9 episodes/patient/mo with the extended-release formulation).[55] Flushing tends to subside substantially with time. Placebo-controlled clinical trials with extended-release niacin reported reductions greater than 60% (< one episode/patient/mo) despite increasing dosages up to 3 g/day.[60, 61] For all niacin products, flushing as well as gastro-intestinal intolerance may be minimized by taking niacin with food. Also, prophylactic aspirin and avoidance of hot liquids and alcohol may help minimize the undesirable cutaneous adverse effects.
If we were still using quick release it would take 3 months to titrate up to 1000mg. Studies have used up to 3000mg of the slow release niacin. Studies with niacinamide had poor mortality prevention data.

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Originally posted by cbhungry
Wow, your HDL is low! Your risk of heart disease has just gone up by 22.5%!! For someone who exercises, it sure is low. (For every 1% decrease in HDL , your chances of heart disease increases by 3%.)
That's exactly what she said (the doctor). However, she said it wasn't an issue per sea. I don't eat much meat, though I do eat plenty of soy products. I bike about 90 miles a week, and swim 2 - 3 times a week.

I'm thinking I should ask for a Liver function test.
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Wow, your HDL is low!
Uh, what does this have to do with my leggs though?
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nothing
Well, that's a relief.

Thank you for the insight though, I've learned a thing or two.
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