photonick

I've been feeling very dizzy lately and just under the weather, i've been eating enough, and definitely drinking enough. I eat very healthy, lots of fruits and veggies and complex carbs with tons of protein. One of my co workers inquired to how much protein i was taking in per day and i told him about 80-150 grams and he said that i might be putting myself in a ketonic state.

So I did some research and found that i have all the symptoms of ketosis. I decided for the next few days i'll cut out my morning and after noon whey protein shakes and just subside off the protein i take in from my foods. I weigh a 160 pounds so according to what i read I should be taking in roughly 60 grams of protein a day (.36 per pound of body weight). So my question to you guys is, since i run 3-4 times a week i bike usually 30-50 a week (not lately though because i've been injured) and do core exercises every night how much more protein should i be taking in that normal.

Nickel

Ketosis is from too little carbs, not too much protein.

photonick

From what I read you can get ketosis from either, essentially whats happening is your kidneys are going into over time trying to flush the toxins produced from processing protein out.

The_Spaniard

this is a hard one, depends on your body, just test out different amounts of protein intake and find that balance where u are gettin the most protein before you get the symptoms. also if you intake that much protein try taking some milk thistle also to protect your liver. But i will bring this up to a friend of mine he knows allot about this area. hopefully i see him int he next day or two.

late

Go to a gym. Lift until you want to beg for mercy.

-or-

If cutting out the shakes doesn't do it, it's time to see a Doc.

ottsville

You only need to up your protein if you are trying to bulk up. For endurance, you need a little more than an average person, but not as much as you are eating.

See a doc. Or/and a nutritionist.

photonick

I'm going to give it till monday if the dizziness doesn't go away i'll go to the doctor, i just hope it's the 2 16 oz whey shakes i've been drinking per day. I'm going to eat light this weekend, more carbs and less heavy proteins and shoot for 60 grams a day and see how it feels.

Nickel

What is your carb intake? Are you eating below maintenance?

photonick

Average 200-300 grams per day on a 2200-2500 calorie per day diet, some days i'll do 3000 if i get cravings or i've worked out alot during the week.

Carbonfiberboy 

I'd guess it's low blood sugar. But don't know why. Not ketosis. Do you eat fat? Try cheese. Low fat diets can screw up your metabolism. You can cut the protein back until you notice that your legs are hurting more than usual. Then put some back. Never eat just carb or fruit snacks unless you are on the bike. Always include some protein and fat.

photonick

I eat low fat milks and cheese products, and some other low fat products, but I eat alot of nuts. A typical day for me is lots of fruit, veggies, grains and no processed sugar snacks, i eat lean meats in the afternoon and at night for dinner. The only thing I've done differently in the last few months is 1-2 100 calorie whey shakes per day, each shake has 18-20 grams of protein which i didn't know but was giving me about 80% of my daily protein, maybe my body just got fed up with it.

photonick

I ate carbs like man and drank tons of water and had a beer last night after dinner wish I hadn't had the beer cuz it just added to my dehydration. Today I feel better for breakfast I had a two egg omlette w bell pepper and mushroom and a Banana and then a bit of soy peanut butter and a carrot (try it its good) I'm still not a 100% do you think it might take a couple of days to recalibrate, ive been off whey since thurs evening.

Dubbayoo

200 carbs is not a lot for some thats involved in high intensity activity. You end up relying on fat to power your workouts. Your body can't convert it to usable energy fast enough so it ends to breaking down muscle tissue as well. I say more carbs. 300-350 consistently.

photonick

can u guys give me some complex carb ideas?

Nickel

I am a big fan of quinoa -- I like to eat it for breakfast with blueberries and almonds. I eat brown rice, either in a veggie stirfry or bean dish with salmon. I also like having an almond butter and jam sandwich on sprouted grain bread as a snack.

Do you drink the shake on an empty stomach?

photonick

nah usually after break or dinner some times as a late afternoon snack

Carbonfiberboy 

I do 4 ea. 15g whey drinks every day. That's totally reasonable. Go make yourself a huge thick cheese sandwich with the cheese at least 1/8" thick and NY cheddar or similar with two leaves of lettuce, 1/2 tomato, and really thick natural mayo. You'll feel better in the morning.

No one knows your food requirements except you.

photonick

Well I feel like crap, I know that, I know that i'm taking in the proper amount of calories but too low carbs and on an average day almost twice as much protein as the average states i should, so i'm going to start with cutting out the shakes. It makes sense i knew protein was the hardest thing for your body to break down i just never realized how much more i was taking than was reccomended. I'm definitnely feeling better today but not a 100% so far today (it's about 3 pm) i'm at 1500 calories 60 grams of protein and 170 carbs, im about to go for a 4 mile run and tonight i'll probably have a another 20 grams of protein making 80ish which is around what i should be shooting for as far as I've read.

photonick

And well we are on the topic i've had about 3 liters of water today and im about to go run a few miles so i assume i'll have 2 or 3 liters today, does that sound over the top. I'm pretty thirsty.

Nickel

I can't imagine the trypsin enzymes are working any harder than the amylase. But you need to figure out why you are feeling sick.

Where is someday_RN??

MTBLover

Hmmmm- if your thirst seems excessive, I'd go see a doc. Between the dizziness and the thirst (assuming that it's excessive), you should be worked up. Not going to tell you for what- just go see a doc.

photonick

You might as well tell me whats on your mind it's probably nothing i haven't already read, are you thinkin' a diabetes test? I'm going to go see a doc if this persists for a few more days, i might be over analyzing it, i doubt it would be diabetes since i take pretty good care of myself and don't eat processed sugars and for all intense and purposes minus the excess protein of late have a balanced diet. I eat consistently and don't skip meals.

I wouldn't say my thirst seems excessive just a dry mouth.

photonick

It's so weird I feel incredible, a 100% just a bit heavy in the head.

photonick

Well FWIW i woke up today still kinda feelin weird, i think the best way to describe it is that feeling you get when your hung over which to me is dehydrated. Last night I was so out of it i didn't even want to go out i just fell asleep on the couch early. I don't get how something like this could just come out of nowhere.

Green Drinks

What exactly is your diet? Also, what is the average pH of your urine and saliva?

Have you gone on any type of colon cleanse to flush your body?

Sorry for asking so many questions but I need to know and then maybe I can help.

- Wayne