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Old 05-29-08, 10:28 AM
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well i have run a couple of years in college doing races from 400h, 400, 800, and 4mile xc. what would be the races that compare to this. i use to do 50 flat for the 400, 56 on the 400h, 1:51 on the 800 and 22:40 for the four mile xc races. i am 5'8" and 145lbs in which race could i become more competitive.
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There is no way to know for sure until you actually get out there and ride. I ran similar times myself (back in the day), and was saddened to find that talent in one discipline didn't translate so easily in another. Your track times suggest that you have a lot of strength and your weight suggests that you could very well have potential as a climber-- but believe me-- strength on a bicycle and strength as a runner are different things. Your cardio-pulmonary system may be tip-top, but it could take you up to three years to develop the musculature needed to succeed at your new sport. Don't be too disappointed in the beginning. In time, you'll know what time of cyclist you are, but make no mistake about it-- it'll take time.

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well i have run a couple of years in college doing races from 400h, 400, 800, and 4mile xc. what would be the races that compare to this. i use to do 50 flat for the 400, 56 on the 400h, 1:51 on the 800 and 22:40 for the four mile xc races. i am 5'8" and 145lbs in which race could i become more competitive.
Bicycle racing is hard. My experience is that the number of talented people who do competitive riding in an area is much larger than the number of people who do competitive running once you get out of college ages.

My advice is to go to a local bike shop and ask if they can point you to some local teams and races. You would be starting out as a Cat5 racer (perhaps cat4 if there aren't that many riders in your area). Before you start in organized races (except for time trials), you need to develop group riding skills - how to ride in a paceline, how riders communicate with each other, how to ride a steady line, etc. The best to do that is to find a group that's comfortable for you to ride with.

Bike racing is hard and fast. Cat5 riders may be riding 25MPH on the flats and flying up the hills, and many races are long distances.

Good luck.
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well thanks. i can hold 25 mph around 30 min by myself, and i can climb a 8% grade hill at 11 mph for around 15 b4 my heart ask me to stop. yes i have been toold that i need to work on my group riding but at the moment that seems almost impossible because of my work schedule. How can i practice group riding skills with out a group i heard that rollers can help.
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You can't practice group riding by yourself. You need to learn how to maintain your position with people ahead of you changing speeds and dodging potholes. For racing, you'll also need to learn how to survive touching wheels. Rollers won't help you there.

If your schedule won't let you train with groups, it probably won't accommodate much racing either.

Perhaps you should concentrate on non-drafting events like time trials for the time being.
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You can't practice group riding by yourself. You need to learn how to maintain your position with people ahead of you changing speeds and dodging potholes.
This is harder than it seems. I was just invited to ride with a local team last week, which was the first time I've ever ridden in a true paceline. I've done several thousand miles of group riding in the social sense, but that did not translate to being smooth when you're trying to stay on the wheel ahead of you without giving the guy behind you whiplash with your speed changes.

I also found it very unsettling to completely depend on the line being chosen by the rider on the front, and not being able to see the pavement. I kept trying to peek around the bike ahead of me to look for debris and holes, etc.
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You'll probably do well at crits or velo racing since you're able to withstand pain for a few minutes at a time.
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well thanks. i can hold 25 mph around 30 min by myself, and i can climb a 8% grade hill at 11 mph for around 15 b4 my heart ask me to stop. yes i have been toold that i need to work on my group riding but at the moment that seems almost impossible because of my work schedule. How can i practice group riding skills with out a group i heard that rollers can help.
Rollers will help you with smoothness, which a lot of beginning riders lack.

But as others have said, you need to group ride to learn how to group ride. That's how you learn the etiquette of group rides - what to do, what not to do - and the strategy of group rides (when to work hard, when to conserve energy) - and the technique - how to safely ride with your tire 6" behind the rider in front of you.
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From a fromer decathlete, welcome to bicycle riding. I think you will do fine making the transition to riding and eventually racing. The other posters are correct in that success in running does not necessairly mean success in cycling. However, your size and stats from track certainly indicate great potential as a rider. I have two sons who both swam in college and their cycling success was qucikly gained. One of my son's is more of a TT and Tri specialist while the other is an aggressive roadie who will never back down on a hill or sprint. I am also a former track coach and wonder, if you ran a 1:51 800m why did you waste your time on the 400m hurdles? Both of thoses races are true painfest that will carry over into racing when you'll need to bridge a gap or match a change in tempo. It may take a season or two for your body to transition to cycling specific movements just like you went thru a "learning curve" preparing for the 400 m hurdles. You really need to find some fast group rides and join in. You may have to seek out racing teams or clubs who have "A" rides, even if you have to travel to the starting point. Some teams have weekend rides for guys who are not racing. The ebb and flow of the pace, while riding in a tight group, is the experiance you need pursue.
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well i meant 1:55. i ran the hurdles at the ehd of the season. plus here in so cal any cc kid from long beach can run that in their sleep. at that year almost no one was doing hurles and my coach thought i had a better chance at the hurdles. anyway i was a jack of all trades and at one point i was about to do the decathlon but a 25' shot put and a jav. throw of 120' was not going to take me anywhere oh did i mention i was 5'8" the 110h took too much for a guy my size that and here in so cal track and field is really competitive. anyway what would be a mid distance bike race as i am not that explosive for a sprint and not smart enough for a 10k kind of race but i have enogh balls to go all out for until i brake.
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i meant break. well that is what happens when english is no your native tongue.
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