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Old 01-14-09, 08:40 AM
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For everyone, I think if a cyclists type (lanky as desired) is going to be taking creatine, and completing P90X correctly, they're going to bulk up a lot. Especially males.
Bulking up on this program would by iffy, depending on prior condition and age (test level). Fat will be lost for sure. If a participant were to lose 10 lbs of weight, then in all likelihood, that will be a loss of fat primarily, and muscle secondarily. Perhaps 8 lbs fat, 2 lbs muscle lost. Untrained individuals and drug users can lose fat and gain muscle simultaneously, but in the "naturally trained" individual, it isn't likely to happen.

If it did happen, the net result would probably be a loss of fat exceding the gain in muscle. So the individual would be lighter than before, with more muscle than before, which should equate to speed.

Creatine ... that will add weight, but through fluid. Ending the creatine use will end the weight gain from creatine. Because it enhances training (muscle growth), it might be worth taking during the 90 days. But for an endurance athlete, it has little if any impact on performance, so there isn't much need to maintain it.
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Old 01-14-09, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SeanMA View Post
Yea, the muscle confusion notion is silly. You can't confuse muscle - you can have compound exercises, and whole body work outs, etc. in various routine designs, but slapping a misleading name on it doesn't make it any different.

As for the supplements, a fellow employee ordered P90X and it came with B12 supplements in extremely high dosages (odd), a creatine mix, and maybe more.

For everyone, I think if a cyclists type (lanky as desired) is going to be taking creatine, and completing P90X correctly, they're going to bulk up a lot. Especially males. This won't help bike speeds because you'll just get heavier. Why not just try a program that simply tones without adding all the muscle? I'd say that's the best bet. Unless you don't actually care about your biking, in which case I'm not sure why you're on this forum, heh.
As far as muscle confusion, perhaps a better term would have been a long the lines of the plateau effect. Most body builders agree that they will hit a plateau at some point. To deal with this, they change the routine up. Either way, the variety of the P90X workouts have definitely helped to keep me motivated and interested in continuing on.

As for your "fellow employee", his P90X did not come with anything axtra in less he chose to order it. The additional supplements are not a requirement and are not included with the program.

As far as bulking up, the P90X program has different versions you can do, including a lean version which will not allow you to bulk up. Instead you will lose fat and tone your mucles while getting stronger. You can also do the regular classic version and just use lighter weights. Lighter weights and more reps will not cause anyone to bulk up. This will allow you to tone and stregthen while not bulking up. The bottom line is that the P90X program can be tailored to fit each individual's needs and goals.

Look, I'm as skeptical as the next guy when it comes to infomercials, but I can tell you from experience that this program works. Yes, you can do this in your own gym, and you can do this on your own, but some people need a little different type of training. I was about 50 pounds overweight for many years, and struggled with health issues and a lack of motivation to do anything about it. Something about P90X triggered me to make some changes. My health has made a complete 180, and I am already half way to my goal as far as weight. Not only that , but I'm back on my bike. If anything, my choice to do P90X was direcly related to me getting back into cycling, a sport that I have truly loved for many years. Heck, I'm already looking into doing some marathons and triatholons down the line.

Lastly, not everyone on this forum into racing. Some of us simply love cycling as a great and fun sport and have no desire to tackle the Alp Duez. That doesn't mean we don't care about cycling.

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Old 01-14-09, 10:15 AM
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I'm not arguing against it's effectiveness at all! And it's way cheaper than a club membership. Those who do it seem to be motivated, that's a great quality of this product. I'm all for it -- except for me. I got those "after" results working out in my garage. (I also hate the term "muscle confusion" and have no respect for those who believe in it -- but that doesn't reflect on folks who use it.)
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Old 01-17-09, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by etothepii View Post
I'm not arguing against it's effectiveness at all! And it's way cheaper than a club membership. Those who do it seem to be motivated, that's a great quality of this product. I'm all for it -- except for me. I got those "after" results working out in my garage. (I also hate the term "muscle confusion" and have no respect for those who believe in it -- but that doesn't reflect on folks who use it.)
Exactly. I think its one of the more valid programs out there, and it's very motivating. Just knowing that the people who designed it, or Tony Horton, call it muscle confusion when they know better is annoying. I know what he's getting at, but its just part of the marketing shtick, and kind of cheapens it.

As far as bulking up, the P90X program has different versions you can do, including a lean version which will not allow you to bulk up. Instead you will lose fat and tone your mucles while getting stronger.
Cool, good to know it's more applicable than I thought.

Something about P90X triggered me to make some changes. My health has made a complete 180, and I am already half way to my goal as far as weight. Not only that , but I'm back on my bike. If anything, my choice to do P90X was direcly related to me getting back into cycling, a sport that I have truly loved for many years.
That's awesome, good for you. Yea, I wasn't questioning whether it works, just its practicality to the average cyclist. I'm glad its worked so well for you, and brought you back to cycling.
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Old 02-12-09, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by J.W. View Post
Its called smoke and mirrors! Their "before" pic is taken in a resting state. Their "after" pic is taken when they have a "pump" and most have lost the body hair.....BOTH make you look more cut. I do agree the with the workout idea of muscle confusion, but i wouldnt expect those results.

You could do the same thing without paying all that money....
Yeah, all I have to do is shave and take a picture "after" I "pump".
Dumbest thing I ever read here. In fact if it worked that well and that easy it would still be worth the money.

FWIW, no smoke and mirrors. A set of DVDs with accompanying nutritional info. Minimal investment in equipment required (especially speaking to a cycling community). A LOT of hard work, at least an hour a day, every day for 90 days.

I think if it were Beach Body in 10 easy minutes it would be a gimmick, this is just a set of hard workouts with a structure.
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Old 02-13-09, 06:26 AM
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I have done it and didn't follow the nutritional advice! I saw some improvement but not as much as I had expected. Now I am doing just 3 of the workouts a week (no cardio, only weights) and am taking a bit more care over my diet - more protein! - and the results are good.

I much prefer it to working out at a gym / at home alone, because there is someone to guide you through and having the instructor makes the time go a bit quicker and it does all the timing for you etc.

I'd recommend it, but be sure to get your diet in check too!
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Old 02-13-09, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by daven1986 View Post
I have done it and didn't follow the nutritional advice! I saw some improvement but not as much as I had expected. Now I am doing just 3 of the workouts a week (no cardio, only weights) and am taking a bit more care over my diet - more protein! - and the results are good.

I much prefer it to working out at a gym / at home alone, because there is someone to guide you through and having the instructor makes the time go a bit quicker and it does all the timing for you etc.

I'd recommend it, but be sure to get your diet in check too!
You are absolutely correct on the diet aspect. It's where most people fail with this program. I did one 90day round and lost 25 pounds. I'm on my second 90 day round and I just switched all my cardio to riding my bike. It works for me!
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Old 02-15-09, 11:10 PM
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You know... I think Im going to do another round. Instead of the plyo and cadio nights, I think I will just ride or if the weather is bad, ride my trainer. Maybe I wont get so burnt out.
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Old 02-16-09, 03:16 AM
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I like riding instead of the cardio, but I have to say that the plyo workout was a WORKOUT! The programme is pretty good fun too.
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it works

i just started my second round of 90 days.

in my first 90 days l lost 30 lbs. I went from 176 down to 145 and from 25% body fat down to about 16.

It isnt just smoke and mirrors. Granted ...you dont look like the jokers on the infomercial but anyone that works that hard for 90 days is going to see some serious changes....and i did. You get addicted to it.

Do yourself a favor and go over to livestrong.com and join the p90x group. The site itself is the Lance site which allows you to use thedailyplate.com to track food.....and it is all free.

A great resource! Lots of good support in the group as well for this program.
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Originally Posted by etothepii View Post
Bulking up on this program would by iffy, depending on prior condition and age (test level). Fat will be lost for sure...
X1,000,000

This is essentially a weight loss/cardio program. If we are talking an hour a day then at best, this program burns about 800 calories/day. Assuming the diet is not contributing to weight loss, and you were doing this program every day, you'd loose a bit more than 1 lb per week from the workout alone. I would expect minimal muscle growth with some strengthening. Overall cardio condition would improve if one were not on some sort of cardio program already.

Diet is where the balance of the weight loss would come from. How much that is depends on how much you weigh and what you were eating to start with. I wouldn't expect much more than 2 lbs per week total for someone in reasonable shape.

This muscle confusion thing is rather funny. I think what they are trying to do is avoid muscle adaptation. For a weight training program this is important. For this program, not so much.

For building muscle this is the wrong program. So, I do find it funny that people are all worried about bulking up. Bulking up is a long, difficult and specific process. People just don't accidentally bulk up in 90 days (not without injections, anyway).

For building strength, it will be moderately effective, but there is not heavy enough weights involved unless you are really weak to start out with. The plyopmetric approach is probably good for a cyclist, but again, this is not a program built to develop explosive strength. Its really just an aggressive weight loss program with a mix of various types of "current" training techniques.

Over the course of 90 days, this would shed 25 or so lbs of the dedicated P90x follower.

Protein supplements are not required. Just a balanced diet within the calorie guidelines.

You could do most of this with jogging and diet, but you wouldn't involve the upper body.

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This muscle confusion thing is rather funny. I think what they are trying to do is avoid muscle adaptation. For a weight training program this is important. For this program, not so much.
Avoiding muscle adaptation. I like that terminology better too. You can't necessarily confuse a muscle, but you can keep it from adapting to a routine.
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I find my muscle bulk increasing using just back/biceps, shoulders, arms & triceps, and legs/back each week. I add cardio if I don't cycle.

The reason I am using this to bulk up is because I want to get lean muscle, so need to keep the cardio high. Also the programme is pretty fun; it keeps you engaged instead of just doing the workout yourself with just music.
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I find my muscle bulk increasing using just back/biceps, shoulders, arms & triceps, and legs/back each week. I add cardio if I don't cycle.

The reason I am using this to bulk up is because I want to get lean muscle, so need to keep the cardio high. Also the programme is pretty fun; it keeps you engaged instead of just doing the workout yourself with just music.
I must say that I am a little baffled by this concept of lean muscle. The inference is that there is lean muscle and there is not lean muscle. Muscle is muscle. Fat is fat. Minimize fat and I suppose that you end up with "lean muscle." There is this undying myth that unless you work out properly, you will bulk up. This is just not so. You can "tone" your muscles with any exercise, but to put on any weight through muscle growth is not an easy task.

Now, the object of a cyclist, or almost any type of competitive athlete is to maximize your strength to weight ratio. You can be a lean weak athlete or a lean strong athlete at the same weight. You can have a high body fat content and be strong or you can be equally strong with a low body fat content. You can have large muscles, but not be as strong as someone who is not as "bulky".

It all comes down to this:

To get strong you have to lift heavy.
To get explosive, you have to train explosiveness (plyometrics).
To get bigger, you have to lift less heavy but with significantly higher repetitions
To build endurance strength, you have to work at a moderately light load for a long time (cycling, running).
To build cardio endurance you have to keep your heart rate up for an extended period of time doing whatever activity you choose.
To loose fat you have to modify your diet. Doing any of the above helps, but diet is the main driver.

Its really that simple.

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Well by lean muscle I meant to get bigger while not putting on loads of fat. P90x can be adjusted to your goals i.e. lift less if you want endurance, lift more if you want to get strong etc.

I want to get strong but also a bit bigger - not huge but big enough, and I want to be cardio fit

Either way P90x keeps me busy and active and makes me feel good so I can't complain!
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I don't have a problem with the term muscle confusion anymore than I have a problem with the term muscle memory. There are diminishing returns with any particular movement, and also the order in which you do a particular movement. Your body gets used to it, so it becomes easier. All muscle confusion is trying to say is that by changing up what you are doing every few weeks, you don't let your body get used to the exercise, so you don't plateau as easily.

As for the bulking up discussion, from what I understand about the program, you most likely won't bulk up on p90x. In order to add bulk, you have to lift heavy weights. All you use are a few dumbbells, some resistance straps, and your body weight, and none of those things could really be considered heavy weight.
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px90 is a great core workout. Perfect Pushups is a a great strength builder of arm and shoulders. After doing these workouts for 6 months I am not exploding from dead stops when cyling and getting back up to speed faster than anyone. I can also climb out of the saddle better than most of the 30 year old riders in my group. I am 55. Currently I am doing 1500 pushups and 100 pullups a week and 6 of the px90 workouts that I purchased on Ebay for $50.
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p90x is just a circuit training program, if you want to get more ripped watch your diet or exert more energy
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I am going to do another 1/2 round starting from May 1 to 6/13

45 days.
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Just wanted to put my .02 cents in here. I've had the program for about 3 yrs now. I have done the full cycle a few times. Like others on here, I've been working out (aggressively) for about 15 yrs, and it's by far one of the most butt-kicking, efficient workouts I've ever done. I just had shoulder surgery (from falling at work), but as soon as I recover, I will do another 90 days, for sure.
For anybody that starts it for the first time, make sure your eating is where it needs to be. If you under-eat, or not enough protein/carbs, you WILL burnout in a couple of weeks.

Anybody that's on the fence, DO IT!! Then, stick to the program EVERY single day of the schedule. You will not be disappointed. You CAN continue to ride while you're on the program, as it closely resembles the "doubles" routine anyhow...cardio part of the day, workout routine the 2nd part.

Regarding Crossfit: I went through a crossfit phase also. To compare the 2 is difficult, as you will need significant weights, and a gym to complete all the workouts. Also, for me, I had to use several websites to choose my WOD, since my schedule didn't always allow me to stick with HQ's regimen...on P90X, I just stuck to the routine whether I was home, at work, etc.

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the one really big thing I like about this is that you can do it at home with just dumbbells and a pull up bar.
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the one really big thing I like about this is that you can do it at home with just dumbbells and a pull up bar.
...or resistance bands!
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oh man, i'm really looking forward to trying P90x. Got a guy at work who is pretty ripped for his age, asked him what he did consistently...p90x. Hmmm.

Gut is getting bigger, I'm already on a diet, I ride 15 miles every day, and I mix it with walking and a bit of jogging, but no upper body - to bored lifting weights via Body for Life regiment.

Anyhow, I'm really looking forward to P90X. How's everybody doing on the program so far?
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I think you'll find that anyone that hasn't tried this workout regiment will "diss" it in one way or another. It's not for bulking, but will provide muscle endurance, strength and will provide the means to get you ripped. VERY hard routines. Diet is key in meeting any fitness goals. P90x, as a workout "system" is awesome.
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P90-X is most probably one of the only programs I have seen that wil do what it promises. No smoking mirrors there.

Im the first one to believe any of these "programs" are bull$#it, but P-90-X is the real deal.
If you *think you are fit, try P90-X, you will soon find out how unfit you really are.

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