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Old 04-03-09, 01:15 AM
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Full, still hungry.

Just went on an 80+ mile, 4:30 minute ride, a lot of climbing. I've eaten about 4,500 calories so far, ~125 grams of protein, including good intake during the ride and a big meal about an hour and a half after. (I'm 5'7", 130-135 lb.). My stomach is stuffed, but I still feel like I need to take in more food. I feel like I'm overeating at this point. Keep going? Tips for next time?
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Old 04-03-09, 04:44 AM
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Sometimes, when I get like that(huge appetite) after a hard ride, I find it's best to "power-relax". I sit in my easy chair or hit the couch and try to take a nap, if only for a half hour or so. It seems to take the edge off the appetite, for me.
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Old 04-03-09, 06:53 AM
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Happens to me all the time, particularly if I am training hard. Try upping the fat in your diet a bit - tends to help me.
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Old 04-03-09, 08:00 AM
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speaking of caloric overload, check this guy out that lifts and cycles, his calories go as high as 7000 on some days.





https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=114168151
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I call it "fullgry"... happens on occasion. Did you have anything immediately after your ride or was the big meal the first thing you ate? I find it's best for me after a long ride to have something for recovery with some carbs and protein immediately and then start snacking/grazing an hour or so later rather than a big meal. A snack seems to have the same effect on my hunger as a big meal, and I'll still be hungry later regardless so small meals allow me to eat throughout the rest of the fay whenever I feel hungry.

That said, I eat probably 3,000 calories on light days and probably upwards of 5,000 on big days. You gotta eat.
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Old 04-03-09, 08:53 AM
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did you eat processed food? or prepackaged food that you did not have to spend time preparing by any chance?

if you eat food that is high in nutrient value, that won't happen
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Old 04-03-09, 10:13 AM
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I ended up at about 4,750 last night, but feel pretty good this morning. Don't think I overate.

In hindsight, I think part of the issue was dehydration. Definitely didn't get enough water yesterday.

I would have liked to eat right after, but the group plan was to load up the cars and drive to a spot to feast. We were in a different town and everyone was out of bars/snacks (plus I wouldn't really want another energy bar nor was I feeling up for putting anything in my stomach directly after the ride). On the less intense/shorter duration rides, I do find it helps to have a protein shake right when I get back.

I didn't eat any processed foods all day (except that Snickers bar after dinner, but that was very necessary), unless you consider Hammer Perpetuem processed. During the ride it was homemade energy bars, perpetuem, and a peanut butter/almond sandwich. Post-ride was spicy veggie plate, sweet potato fries, and a veggie-chili burger. Then about half a cup of homemade chili, a slice of light homemade lemon pie, snickers bar, 1/2 apple and 1 tbsp peanut butter, and some grapes.
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i experience this when i'm cycling or working a lot. I'm at 130lbs, 5'8, and in the summer i eat ~4000 - 5000kcal daily.

it takes the appetite about thirty minutes or so to wear off after i eat. i try to eat when i'm not hungry to prevent myself from getting weak... like eat a bagel every 90 minutes or so.

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and that's a lot of protein imo. 125g is what i'd recommend for a daily amount. perhaps i'm just interpreting your original post incorrectly... are you saying that's what you had just for the ride or over the day?

for your next ride, try bringing along something sugary like a banana. your body can break it down faster than a peanut butter sandwich. for my rides i go with bagels and cream cheese (cream cheese keeps the bagel moist... easier to eat with a dry mouth), and bananas. for an 120km ride, I'd bring a bagel and two bananas. maybe two bagels and the bananas.
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I was out of bananas, and had little room anyway - I feel like it would have gotten pretty squished up. 130 grams of protein was for the entire day, and that's usually more than I consume. I usually bring a banana with me to supplement the homemade energy bars, it's a nice mix.

But, 120 km with ~700 calories? Yikes, I don't think that's very ideal.
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Originally Posted by arexjay View Post
Just went on an 80+ mile, 4:30 minute ride, a lot of climbing. I've eaten about 4,500 calories so far, ~125 grams of protein, including good intake during the ride and a big meal about an hour and a half after. (I'm 5'7", 130-135 lb.). My stomach is stuffed, but I still feel like I need to take in more food. I feel like I'm overeating at this point. Keep going? Tips for next time?
You're missing your recovery window after the ride. On rides that long and that intense, you really need something immediately after the ride. I used to get exactly the symptoms you are describing, then I started using Endurox ASAP after the ride and they went away.

All the research says that good recovery meals work just as well as the drinks, but my experience is that the drinks work much better for me.

You also may be underhydrated. Weigh yourself before and after your ride and adjust accordingly.
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Old 04-03-09, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ericgu View Post
You're missing your recovery window after the ride. On rides that long and that intense, you really need something immediately after the ride. I used to get exactly the symptoms you are describing, then I started using Endurox ASAP after the ride and they went away.

All the research says that good recovery meals work just as well as the drinks, but my experience is that the drinks work much better for me.

You also may be underhydrated. Weigh yourself before and after your ride and adjust accordingly.
The reason why they work better is that they are digested and thus absorbed faster.
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Old 04-03-09, 09:26 PM
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As a general comment if you have stuffed yourself full and your still hungry then odds on you need more fat in your diet. Fat is nutrient/caloric dense food so count the calories if you want but don't be fearful of fat. There is NO scientific proof that dietary fat causes any health problems despite all the hype to the contrary.

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Old 04-04-09, 06:57 AM
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well the ride was about as long as yours... but i was moving slower. What took you 4:30 would've taken me 5. I usually do these rides alone. Sometimes a single other rider comes 'long for the ride . Those are for the 80-90km rides though. never had someone go with me over 100.
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Somewhere on bf there was a suggestion to have a glass of chocolate milk immediately after the ride. I've been doing that and it has helped significantly with my recovery and hunger. Carbs, simple sugars, protein, and fat all in one low cost drink.

Fat in the diet is what changes the hormones being produced by your duodenum, telling your brain that you are full. Until that negative feedback is produced, your brain will tell you that you are hungry. (dehydration aside)
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Old 04-06-09, 09:54 PM
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Alot of it depends on what you're eating...that is HIGH GI vs Low GI food, if you're eating the wrong thing and your blood sugar levels drop it causes you to get hungry

have a look here under the Paleo Diet......https://trainingbible.com/resources.aspx
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Old 04-07-09, 02:48 AM
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When you're dehydrated you can have a hungry feeling too. You just have to drink... I have the same problem.
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I rode 81 miles Sunday, in 5.5 hours. My longest of the year. I had a slice of wheat bread with peanut butter and yogurt for breakfast, and was on the bike 30 minutes later. I packed my Camelbak with water, and my trunk bag with 2 bananas, a serving of raw almonds and an apple.

Anyway, I tried to eat every hour. Towards mile 68, I stopped for a Met-RX bar and Gatorade. I really was struggling after getting caught in a thunderstorm and being cold for most of my ride. The snack really lifted my spirits and kept me going. The bar was 340 cals, and a whopping 55 carbs and a lot of protein. Taste was another matter, but I wasn't picky at this point.

I felt extremely full when I got home, but drank some homemade lowfat choc milk anyway(made from Hershey's special dark cocoa). Stomach felt hard, and a little bloated maybe.

I am trying to lose weight, so I have an internal conflict over eating and riding. I know I need to eat on long rides, but I love to see the big numbers for the calorie burn as well.

I think I will have some type of electrolytes and a salty snack earlier in the ride next time.

But the milk was delicious. I felt fine after a good nap.
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Hey your really need to eat more bread and dump the peanut butter. Try jam instead.

Honeypops (100 g) are good too, or muesli (not the crunchy type : too fat).
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It was probably the sugar (slice of lemon pie, snickers, grapes, etc.)

I don't agree w/ the GI theory (i.e. all high GI--typically high carb foods--make you hungry because they raise insulin levels) but I do agree w/ research that suggests sugars (super concentrated calories) make you hungrier after you eat.
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Originally Posted by pcates View Post
have a look here under the Paleo Diet......https://trainingbible.com/resources.aspx
Summary:

Your problem is you have been eating what we humans have been eating for only 10,000 years, and our bodies are not used to it. You gotta eat what we humans have been eating for 4 million years, and health will come your way.

From the PDF on the website:

the book applies the concept of eating as our
Stone Age ancestors ate to the extraordinary demands of training for serious
endurance sports. Although it is now the 21 st century, athletes still have Old Stone
Age (Paleolithic) bodies. There has been no significant change in the human genome
in the past 10,000 years. Physiologically speaking, we are still Paleolithic athletes.

THE PALEO DIET
The basic premise of Dr. Cordain’s research on paleolithic nutrition is that certain
foods are optimal for humans and others are non optimal . The optimal foods are
those that we have been eating for most of our time on Earth—more than 4 million
years. Only in the last 10,000 years, a mere blink of the eye relative to our species’
existence, have we been eating non optimal foods. Unfortunately, these foods
comprise the bulk of what western society eats today and include such foods as
grains, dairy and legumes. Given that our bodies have not changed, we are simply
not well adapted to these non optimal foods and they moderate health and peak
performance.

On the other hand, we have been eating optimal foods – vegetables, fruits, and lean
animal protein – for hundreds of thousands of years and we are fully adapted to
them. Science tells us that these foods also best meet our nutritional needs. Eat
these and you will thrive. Avoid or strictly limit them and your health and performance
will be compromised.
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Somewhere on bf there was a suggestion to have a glass of chocolate milk immediately after the ride. I've been doing that and it has helped significantly with my recovery and hunger. Carbs, simple sugars, protein, and fat all in one low cost drink.

Fat in the diet is what changes the hormones being produced by your duodenum, telling your brain that you are full. Until that negative feedback is produced, your brain will tell you that you are hungry. (dehydration aside)
Chocolate milk is a pretty good recovery drink if you tolerate lactose well *and* the chocolate milk you get is sweetened with sucrose. If it has HFCS in it, it won't work as well and you may have digestive issues.
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Originally Posted by TimothyF View Post

I am trying to lose weight, so I have an internal conflict over eating and riding. I know I need to eat on long rides, but I love to see the big numbers for the calorie burn as well.
If your goal is to burn fat, you can do that efficiently by keeping your blood sugar constant. If you get a small amount of carbs during the exercise and support the blood sugar with the recovery drink, you can burn a lot of fat during a long ride and not be hungry.
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