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Old 04-24-09, 11:06 AM
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Nutrition for a person with no choice.

I have to eat what's in my house, I'm stuck with what I got. I was wondering how I should go about this. I'm 210 and 6'2'' but I've been wanting to see how far I can push my body and see how lean I can get. I'm not really fat, but not in shape either. My goal is 170lbs.

I was wondering how should one go about nutrition with no other choice? Portion control?

4-5 small meals a day?

Ideas?
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Old 04-24-09, 11:30 AM
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Can't you go out and buy your own food now and then .... like say, one of those bagged salads for a snack?
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What's in your house?
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Are your parents fat?
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Old 04-24-09, 07:29 PM
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Both were bone thin until about 40.

In the house: eggs, milk, white bread, tons of chicken, rice, yogurt.
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Originally Posted by Pheard View Post
Both were bone thin until about 40.

In the house: eggs, milk, white bread, tons of chicken, rice, yogurt.
No fruit and veggies?

And are you unable to buy your own food?
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Not able, have no money. Wondering what I should do based on what I have.
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Eggs are good for you. They're a complete protein. Just don't go totally crazy with them, since the yolks can be high in cholesterol (but the myth that the yolks are bad for you is just a myth...they're actually packed with nutrition).

If it's skim or 1% milk, that's also good for you. Good source of protein and calcium. If your parents are whole milk fans, maybe you can convert them, or compromise with 1% or 2%.

There's actually a such thing as white whole grain bread, which is made from albino rather than red wheat, and has the taste and texture of white bread and the nutrition of whole grain. Try to get your parents to give this a try if they insist on white bread. Just make sure it's 100% whole grain and doesn't have a ton of other trash in the ingredients.

Chicken can be healthy, assuming it's not fried or prepared in some other unhealthy way. Avoid the skin and go for the white meat.

Nothing wrong with rice either. Brown rice is a better choice nutritionally than white rice.

Yogurt is extremely healthy, as long as it's not the sugar filled kind. Try to get your parents to buy low-fat unflavored yogurt, and then add fresh fruit for flavor, rather than buying ones with tons of added sugars.
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4-5 smaller meals a day is the right idea, i think. also, 170lbs sounds like a longer-term goal. try to break it up a bit, as it's not healthy to lose too much weight, too quickly. give yourself 2 months to lose 15lbs, and then reevaluate.

lastly, if you're cycling a lot, be very careful not to starve your body. if you go out for a few hours at a decent pace on a saturday, you've probably burned 1000+ calories, and most of that should be replenished.

slow + steady wins. good luck.
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Old 04-27-09, 12:32 AM
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at 210 and 6'2" you;re a pretty big middle schooler...

you can:
move out
get your own fridge
eat at your friend's house

or maybe get yourself and your family excited about the possibilities of good food.
sometimes it takes small steps, a lot of them, over time, to effect real change.

this doesn't make any sense to me:
"I'm 210 and 6'2'' but I've been wanting to see how far I can push my body and see how lean I can get. I'm not really fat, but not in shape either. My goal is 170lbs."
If you think 170 is OK, then the part "not really fat" wouldn;t be accurate.
At 6'2" you could be close to 210 and be pretty lean... depends on muscle mass (but stay off the juice...)
It's not a question of 'pushing' the body, its what you think is optimum for your body.

not tryin to be harsh, but sometimes you gotta stare reality in the face.

primo, number 1, most important, critical to the max IS quality nutritive food
everything else works around that.
portion control of twinkies just doesn't work...
doesn't sound like the fridge is totally devoid of decent food - pick and choose for yourself.
do the really hard thing and go do the shopping for the family (or go along) and 'add' a few things for yourself, like veggies. Its amazin how many people actually will like broccoli when put on their plate.
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Old 04-27-09, 05:54 AM
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The 5 small meals a day is a winner, you're never hungry.

I would recommend you go to www.thedailyplate,com and start counting your calories. Yes, you should eat a quality diet etc., but the bottom line is if you burn more calories than you consume, the weight will fall off.
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Old 04-28-09, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by cyclezen View Post
portion control of twinkies just doesn't work...
doesn't sound like the fridge is totally devoid of decent food - pick and choose for yourself.
do the really hard thing and go do the shopping for the family (or go along) and 'add' a few things for yourself, like veggies. Its amazin how many people actually will like broccoli when put on their plate.
I agree with the sentiment of your post, but the fact is that the only thing that matters when trying to lose weight is calories in < calories out. You would lose more weight eating 2000 calories of snickers a day than eating 3000 cal of fruits veggies and protein. Of course this would make you unhealthy and probably feel like ****, but I'm just saying, it really is quantity that truly matters when losing weight.
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Old 04-29-09, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by cyclezen View Post
at 210 and 6'2" you;re a pretty big middle schooler...

you can:
move out
get your own fridge
eat at your friend's house

or maybe get yourself and your family excited about the possibilities of good food.
sometimes it takes small steps, a lot of them, over time, to effect real change.

this doesn't make any sense to me:
"I'm 210 and 6'2'' but I've been wanting to see how far I can push my body and see how lean I can get. I'm not really fat, but not in shape either. My goal is 170lbs."
If you think 170 is OK, then the part "not really fat" wouldn;t be accurate.
At 6'2" you could be close to 210 and be pretty lean... depends on muscle mass (but stay off the juice...)
It's not a question of 'pushing' the body, its what you think is optimum for your body.

not tryin to be harsh, but sometimes you gotta stare reality in the face.

primo, number 1, most important, critical to the max IS quality nutritive food
everything else works around that.
portion control of twinkies just doesn't work...
doesn't sound like the fridge is totally devoid of decent food - pick and choose for yourself.
do the really hard thing and go do the shopping for the family (or go along) and 'add' a few things for yourself, like veggies. Its amazin how many people actually will like broccoli when put on their plate.
I'm not a middle schooler, I'm 21.

Twinkies are disgusting.

My body fat last time I check a few months back when I was 220 was 22%. Which may or may not make me fat, either way I don't care. I'm comfortable with my body at the moment, I still can go sprint for an hour back and forth playing full court basketball. I just want to take it to higher level.

I'd like to be around 6%

I'm going to stick to the whole grain stuff we have, and loads of chicken and veggies.
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Originally Posted by Pheard View Post
I'm not a middle schooler, I'm 21.

Do you have a job? Mow lawns, clean pools, walk dogs, be the oldest kid in your neighborhood with a paper route. Or, just sponge off your folks until you move onto the gubmint dole.
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Old 04-30-09, 12:14 AM
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sorry, but is this a joke? honestly dude, go grocery shopping with your parents. unless they're really out there they won't be against spending $15-20 dollars extra on food for you to shut you up. failing that, is it really that hard to get a part time job and start doing things for yourself?
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Originally Posted by Pheard View Post
Not able, have no money.
Yes you can. I am 21 also and I pay for all my food and bills. Do you know how cheap you can eat? oatmeal, rice, beans, frozen vegetables, chicken breast (get the big family packs. you can get like 2 lbs of chicken for <$6).

Don't make excuses. Make it happen.
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Originally Posted by Pheard View Post
My body fat last time I check a few months back when I was 220 was 22%. I'd like to be around 6%
No, you wouldn't. That's not compatible with good hormone production- you need body fat to make hormones. At your age, you should aim for 11-15% BF- you'll be plenty lean at that level.
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Dude, when I was 19 I had my own apartment on the other side of the country from my parents, paid my own rent, and definitely paid for all my own food. What is your reason why you can't eat healthy?
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jeez, leave the kid alone. if you have nothing to add re: his actual question, i'm sure he (and the rest of us) can do without your holier than thou crap. we have no clue what his situation is.
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jeez, leave the kid alone. if you have nothing to add re: his actual question, i'm sure he (and the rest of us) can do without your holier than thou crap. we have no clue what his situation is.
He is a big boy (adult) now.
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Originally Posted by Pheard View Post
My body fat last time I check a few months back when I was 220 was 22%. Which may or may not make me fat, either way I don't care. I'm comfortable with my body at the moment, I still can go sprint for an hour back and forth playing full court basketball. I just want to take it to higher level.

I'd like to be around 6%

I'm going to stick to the whole grain stuff we have, and loads of chicken and veggies.
So your BMI right now is close to 27, which is in the "overweight" column. However, there are issues with looking at BMI and such as a barometer of overall fitness, as some folks who are physically fit will fall into a higher BMI than is considered "healthy" yet still be quite lean (muscle weighs more than fat). so don't be surprised if you see less weight loss for a time, as fat converts to muscle.

I'd second the warning about 6% body fat. That's really, really low, bordering on unhealthy. Aim for a 10% floor and stick close to that - it's close to ideal for all but the most elite athletes.

But the basic idiom of good nutrition is: stick to the simple stuff. Look to fresh ingredients, where possible. Eat whole grains. Stay away from as much processed food as possible (e.g. if the ingredient list reads like a chemistry set, it's often best to steer clear). Learn to cook a few basic things: basic cooking skills can lead to great things. Replenish after workouts with a balanced mix of protein and carbs (e.g. chocolate milk or a whey shake). Keep properly hydrated (water is available almost everywhere). Get enough sleep (this is really important: if you don't sleep well, it's tough to keep the body in rhythm and keep the pounds away).

And above all else: keep a positive attitude! Excess stress is the devil's snare toward full fitness.

Good luck!
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