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Old 05-08-09, 09:39 PM
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Massage after riding is ... bad?

Massage After Exercise Myth Busted

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0507164405.htm

ScienceDaily (May 8, 2009) — A Queen’s University research team has blown open the myth that massage after exercise improves circulation to the muscle and assists in the removal of lactic acid and other waste products.

“This dispels a common belief in the general public about the way in which massage is beneficial,” says Kinesiology and Health Studies professor Michael Tschakovsky. “It also dispels that belief among people in the physical therapy profession. All the physical therapy professionals that I have talked to, when asked what massage does, answer that it improves muscle blood flow and helps get rid of lactic acid. Ours is the first study to challenge this and rigorously test its validity.”

The belief that massage aids in the removal of lactic acid from muscle tissue is so pervasive it is even listed on the Canadian Sports Massage The******s website as one of the benefits of massage, despite there being absolutely no scientific research to back this up.

Kinesiology MSc candidate Vicky Wiltshire and Dr. Tschakovsky set out to discover if this untested hypothesis was true, and their results show that massage actually impairs blood flow to the muscle after exercise, and that it therefore also impairs the removal of lactic acid from muscle after exercise.

This study will be presented at the annual American College of Sports Medicine conference in Seattle, Washington May 27-30, 2009
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Old 05-08-09, 09:52 PM
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Interesting. I wonder when a massage would be beneficial (according to science), if at all.
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So the prevailing explanation is false; but I still think massage benefits recovery, as does about anyone involved in competitive sports. It just works, let someone else explain why.
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It feels good. That's all the reason I need.

It seems like anyone who's ever had knots worked out by a good massage would know that.
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When I had a distal bicept injury, my PT explained message and ultrasound therapy this way:

Message causes minor inflammation at specific sites which speeds up the body's own self healing processes.

It was surgery or PT. I opted for PT and made a complete recovery.
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I think you should wait for the study to come out and read it yourself. There are so many contextual situations involved in exercise and recovery, that it would be intersting to know how they came to such a sweeping generalisation, if they did at all. Right now we know nothing about the statistical power and the methods used. To consider changing practices because of this report would be would be irresponsible.

Another factor is that the press does a very poor job about reporting scientific data, the facts the study presents may be objective, but the reporting of the facts often contain more subjectivity, heck they even list when and where the study is going to be officially unveiled. Right now it is all about promotion, because if no one knows your study exists you wasted all your effort (Good luck trying to get more funding to continue your work.).

Remember that for anything to be scientifically valid it needs to be reproduced, and at that it needs to be reproduced within many different contexts, and more specific than exercise.

Often studies like this are just the beginning to expanding a specific knowledge base, and to truly understand the phenomenon more research in needed because of the new questions that they raise.
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Originally Posted by Someday_RN View Post
I think you should wait for the study to come out and read it yourself. There are so many contextual situations involved in exercise and recovery, that it would be intersting to know how they came to such a sweeping generalisation, if they did at all. Right now we know nothing about the statistical power and the methods used. To consider changing practices because of this report would be would be irresponsible.

Another factor is that the press does a very poor job about reporting scientific data, the facts the study presents may be objective, but the reporting of the facts often contain more subjectivity, heck they even list when and where the study is going to be officially unveiled. Right now it is all about promotion, because if no one knows your study exists you wasted all your effort (Good luck trying to get more funding to continue your work.).

Remember that for anything to be scientifically valid it needs to be reproduced, and at that it needs to be reproduced within many different contexts, and more specific than exercise.

Often studies like this are just the beginning to expanding a specific knowledge base, and to truly understand the phenomenon more research in needed because of the new questions that they raise.
+Infinity... this type of disclaimer should be at the bottom of every damn media article on a scientific study. So often do they fall into the 'causation=correlation' trap as well.
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Massage helps move bodily fluids and I recommend it for cramps and sore muscles. A warm bath is also VERY VERY good for both those conditions.

I have a chronic strained back and I use 3 kinds of massages and a whirlpool at the gym. There is no doubt that the massaging helps me. No doubt what-so-ever.
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Originally Posted by andre nickatina View Post
+Infinity... this type of disclaimer should be at the bottom of every damn media article on a scientific study. So often do they fall into the 'causation=correlation' trap as well.
I agree. Science usually moves in small steps; major insights develop over time and are rarely the result of a single paper (though Einstein's paper on special relativity is a good counter-example).

On the flip side, disclaimers should be added to articles by self-proclaimed 'skeptics' who try to debunk the science but lack the background to do so. I'll take an article in Nature or Science over a rebuttal on a web blog any day.
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Originally Posted by arexjay View Post
Interesting. I wonder when a massage would be beneficial (according to science), if at all.
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I've always thought that there was no way that massage would speed up the process, but I figured that pro cyclists, for example, wouldn't do it so much in stage races unless it worked. Maybe it just feels good though.
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"I'll take an article in Nature or Science over a rebuttal on a web blog any day."
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Peer review can be extremely rigorous.
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Re: Massage after riding is ... bad?

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Old 09-04-09, 08:14 AM
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You know, I bet that massage after riding is good simply because it makes you feel better. Even though it probably really does nothing in reality.
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The explanation is technically correct. Lactic acid burns off within a few minutes of completing your exercise (except the small amount that's always in your system no matter what), so massage won't be effective for that. However, it will help to loosen up the muscles and knots and get the blood pumping through the muscles to facilitate muscle recovery more effectively.

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stating that this is the first study to test this is a horrible lie; many others have done so and found the same thing. Massage does increase circulation, but to the skin and not the muscles. Certainly there is still something to some forms of massage. Even if the benefit is only psychological, it is still a very real benefit.
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