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Old 09-07-09, 05:31 PM
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Help me not look like late-stage Karen Carpenter

Sorry about the inappropriate title, but since I've been called that twice now, I seek your input...

I used to be a Clydesdale, up to a peak of 225 LBS at the end of college. Beer + late night food + slowing metabolism + less riding = bad. Once I graduated my car broke down the second week of my first "real job" so I decided start commuting. That was three years ago.

Now I ride about 20 miles or so a day. I don't really ride centuries, or competitively. The problem is I cannot, for the life of me, gain any weight. I don't want to go back to looking fat, however, this really gaunt phase ain't so cool either.

Daily "diet" regiment: (all meats and dairy products 100% pasture-finished/grass fed when at home)
2 egg
bacon
100% wheat toast / butter
fruit depending on season, usually grapefruit
1 large bowl oatmeal with raisins

Snack: clif bar / odwalla bar / powerbar during the day (at least one)
fresh fruit
yogurt

Lunch: Sourdough panini (generally turkey, ham, or homemade veggie burger depending on day)
Salad
Soup
Chips / Salsa
80% cacoa chocolate bar

Dinner: depends on night, often half a pizza, 2 burgers with the fixins, tacos, sushi, whatever we decide to make, always salad or dark green veg, sometimes a starch

Evening snack: Ice cream, more chocolate, fiber-bomb cereal

A few IPAs to wash this all down.

UMMMMMMMM - so I guess what I'm saying is...WTF? I counted caloric intake one day, and it was around 3200 calories.

Tapeworm perhaps? Riding too fast?
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Old 09-07-09, 06:21 PM
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You don't mention your height and current weight.
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Old 09-07-09, 06:23 PM
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That info would be helpful. How old are you?

I am 34 and ride a fair amount (150-200 miles a week). My issue is the opposite.
I loose weight in winter and gain in peak riding season.
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Old 09-07-09, 07:22 PM
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After posting I realized I put way too little information here...

Anyways, I'm 6"3 and 154 LBS. Age: 27.

Another aspect to consider I neglected the first time around: I self-medicate my hyper-ways by hammering many of those miles, and also by drinking somewhat copious amounts of coffee (3-5 cups/day).

Still, that's alot of calories.
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Old 09-08-09, 02:35 AM
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F the haters... enjoy it! It sounds like you eat awesome stuff, ride a lot, and are in good shape. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I wish I could eat that well and be skinny. If it's really bothering you, maybe try lifting weights.
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Old 09-08-09, 07:54 AM
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The difference in calories burned by going hard (i.e. time trial) for 20 miles vs going at tempo is maybe 200 calories at most. And I doubt you are going at full on TT pace on your way to work. So "going too hard" is probably not your problem.

Actually, I don't see a problem at all. You sound healthy. 154 lbs on a 6'3 frame sounds ok to me, if you have a thin build. I'm 6' and 140 lbs... 145 in the winter. And I'm 20 years older.

Being a skinny freak has never been a problem for me. I've been going to the gym for many years, and no one has ever said a word. The only comments I have gotten have been from fellow bike racers, who would like to be as thin as me (I point out that I make less power than they do). And from friends who noticed me getting thinner when I went back to riding after a layoff where I gained 35 lbs. There's plenty of women who like thin fit guys, so that's not a problem either.
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Old 09-08-09, 12:43 PM
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A little shorter and about 40 pounds heavier, I'd like to say...

Gimme some of whatever you're drinking. Seriously, you could gain weight with weights, as in lifting. Add some muscle mass.
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Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
The difference in calories burned by going hard (i.e. time trial) for 20 miles vs going at tempo is maybe 200 calories at most. And I doubt you are going at full on TT pace on your way to work. So "going too hard" is probably not your problem.

Actually, I don't see a problem at all. You sound healthy. 154 lbs on a 6'3 frame sounds ok to me, if you have a thin build. I'm 6' and 140 lbs... 145 in the winter. And I'm 20 years older.

Being a skinny freak has never been a problem for me. I've been going to the gym for many years, and no one has ever said a word. The only comments I have gotten have been from fellow bike racers, who would like to be as thin as me (I point out that I make less power than they do). And from friends who noticed me getting thinner when I went back to riding after a layoff where I gained 35 lbs. There's plenty of women who like thin fit guys, so that's not a problem either.
I am one of those

my husband is 6'4 and weighs around 150-160..he seriously has the skinniest legs I've ever seen... He just started riding..eats like crap (except when I cook for him)...so what the hell is gonna happen when he starts riding more and more..there's no way he can lose weight any weight..it just wouldn't be healthy or fair
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Originally Posted by Oregon Southpaw View Post
Sorry about the inappropriate title, but since I've been called that twice now, I seek your input...

I used to be a Clydesdale, up to a peak of 225 LBS at the end of college. Beer + late night food + slowing metabolism + less riding = bad. Once I graduated my car broke down the second week of my first "real job" so I decided start commuting. That was three years ago.

Now I ride about 20 miles or so a day. I don't really ride centuries, or competitively. The problem is I cannot, for the life of me, gain any weight. I don't want to go back to looking fat, however, this really gaunt phase ain't so cool either.

Daily "diet" regiment: (all meats and dairy products 100% pasture-finished/grass fed when at home)
2 egg
bacon
100% wheat toast / butter
fruit depending on season, usually grapefruit
1 large bowl oatmeal with raisins

Snack: clif bar / odwalla bar / powerbar during the day (at least one)
fresh fruit
yogurt

Lunch: Sourdough panini (generally turkey, ham, or homemade veggie burger depending on day)
Salad
Soup
Chips / Salsa
80% cacoa chocolate bar

Dinner: depends on night, often half a pizza, 2 burgers with the fixins, tacos, sushi, whatever we decide to make, always salad or dark green veg, sometimes a starch

Evening snack: Ice cream, more chocolate, fiber-bomb cereal

A few IPAs to wash this all down.

UMMMMMMMM - so I guess what I'm saying is...WTF? I counted caloric intake one day, and it was around 3200 calories.

Tapeworm perhaps? Riding too fast?
If you want to gain weight the key is consistency. Your caloric intake for one day was 3200 calories, what is it everyday? Eat 3200 calories a day for 10 days straight and see what happens. If you are 10 days in and you have gained weight but also start to put on a lot of fat you need to adjust your calories down or exercise a little more. If you don't gain weight, adjust your calories up to 3700 a day and see what happens. If you gain weight with very little body fat then you are on the right track stay at 3200 per day everyday.
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Old 09-08-09, 03:36 PM
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I think that with your weight so low you most likely have a very low body fat. Along with that there is a possibility you don't get enough rest or time for your body to recover from the rides you are doing. The result could be overtraining, which can cause a lowering of the testosterone level, and an increase in the cortisol in your blood. This in turn can lead to a catabolic (breaking down, rather than building) effect in your body. Remedy: could cut your miles some, eat more, work out in gym especially upper body (which doesn't get much workout with cycling it seems). If I were you I'd also reduce some of the grains (i.e. oatmeal, bread) and increase the protein, fruits and vegetables.

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I used to be like that ---- 30 years ago.

Sure wish I was ---- now!

Things will change a little, when you hit 40.... lol
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The reason (for being so fat)
The solution (to being too skinny)
The absolution (makes everything taste better, even if it still tastes weird)
Nutella; My God.
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Unintended weight loss can be a symptom of an underlying medical problem (ex: diabetes), so get a physical to make sure there's not something going on.
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Originally Posted by Oregon Southpaw View Post
UMMMMMMMM - so I guess what I'm saying is...WTF? I counted caloric intake one day, and it was around 3200 calories.

Tapeworm perhaps? Riding too fast?
dude! You're living the dream, enjoy it!

One of the strongest riders I've seen lately was a very thin man w/really scrawny legs. He joked that he requests #111 for tri's because it's all that will fit on his thigh. But he was turning a 55 gear, he was so strong he could have dropped the lot of us w/ease...but he was nice and hung w/the rest of us mortals.
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Originally Posted by ironhorse3 View Post
I think that with your weight so low you most likely have a very low body fat. Along with that there is a possibility you don't get enough rest or time for your body to recover from the rides you are doing. The result could be overtraining,

Unlikely with just 20 miles of commuting a day.
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Originally Posted by Lamp-Shade View Post

The reason (for being so fat)
The solution (to being too skinny)
The absolution (makes everything taste better, even if it still tastes weird)
Nutella; My God.
I think the angels in heaven made that stuff...
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Originally Posted by Oregon Southpaw View Post
After posting I realized I put way too little information here...

Anyways, I'm 6"3 and 154 LBS. Age: 27.

Another aspect to consider I neglected the first time around: I self-medicate my hyper-ways by hammering many of those miles, and also by drinking somewhat copious amounts of coffee (3-5 cups/day).

Still, that's alot of calories.
Wow, at the height of training for a Tri I was at 6'4" 170 and was being lectured by pretty much everyone I knew to gain weight. I would suggest trying to add 500 calories a day with 2 servings of ensure or boost. Also might want to cut back on the caffeine.
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Height and weight alone isn't enough data. You need to know what your body composition is, in other words what percentage of you body weight is fat. If you are really concerned, I'd have a body composition test.

Are you losing weight, or staying at the same level? As was posted before, if you are losing weight for no apparent reason, it's time to see the doc.

All that said, probably you are worried about nothing, and people who think you are too skinny are likely just jealous.
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