$ick3nin.vend3t

Being a banana bike which has the capacity to be loaded with an additional 30 banana's, taking advantage of the Progressive Overload principal.

In order to achieve new results, as opposed to maintaining the current strength capacity of the body... the muscles & central nervous system need to be overloaded with more banana's, which stimulates the natural adaptive processes of the human body. Overload the banana's accordingly.



Source; Me with "The Beast" at the Death Valley Salt Flats.






Vs.



The whip around my grandma could push.





The body will only recruit the sufficient & necessary number of motor units needed to supply the desired force to the banana bike & the additional 30 banana's..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_overload

Please discuss sensibly.

Sea Green Sky

That's 88.18 pounds. Did they use solid iron bars to build the frame?

$ick3nin.vend3t

Yeah, 88.18 pounds of solid banana, something I have been longing for to come on eBay, plenty of resistance. Its why I train in my banana bike & overload it with an additional 30 banana's. Bikes of today are too light, takes forever & a day to start putting something into your legs.

Heres me burning it up on Malibu Beach...

gregf83 

You're not pedalling fast enough...

$ick3nin.vend3t

I am... But fatigue starts setting in that much quicker riding in my banana bike, which personally is what I'm after with regards to my own training purposes/goals.

gregf83 

The only way fatigue will set in faster is if you are putting out more power. Sorry, but riding a heavy bike won't make you faster.

$ick3nin.vend3t

Touchy. I'm just exciting the nervous system to a much greater degree than that in normal training on a paper mache run around that your use to.

umd

Fail. The power that you put out is independent of the weight of your bike. If you need a heavy bike to make you work harder it just means you lack willpower to push yourself hard enough on your own.

$ick3nin.vend3t

I train in my banana bike. If the same movement is then practised soon after with no resistance (your very light bike) this increased excitation of my central nervous system allows a faster movement. It also gives me the feeling of moving very easily which helps me to go faster than the limits which I have imposed on myself. No arguments please. Thankyou.

umd

You are funny. You can't just say something ridiculous and then "no arguments" and not expect someone to call you on it. I won't argue about what you feel, I believe that you do feel that. Of course if you train on a heavy bike and then move to a light bike you will feel faster. And of course you will actually be faster, than you were on the heavy bike. But you will not be any faster than if you had done the same heavy bike effort on the lighter bike.

For example, I just went out and did a 3x10 set of threshold intervals climbing at a specific effort. With a heavier bike they would not have been any different, I just would not have gotten as far up the hill. It would not be a "better" workout. If you go as hard as you can, your body doesn't care how heavy the bike is (except as far as it affects your cadence), the amount of power you are capable of is fixed, the only variable is how fast you end up going.

mustang1

Need BB90 - I believe there will be too much flex otherwise.

Doohickie

Geez, umd, he's posting on Training & Nutrition, not The 41 (TM). I know what he's talking about. It's a perception thing, perhaps, but after I ride my 50 lb. Raleigh for a few days, then jump on a lighter bike, it's a lot easier to accelerate.

Lighten up, Francis.

umd

Yes, of course it is a perception thing. I agreed to that. It feels like you are going faster because you were just on a heavy bike. But that doesn't mean that you are going faster or that the heavier bike is better for training, unless you are lazy.

enfilade

Another way to increase the load on your legs would be to simply reduce cadence. You'd get a pretty tough leg workout from mashing up the hills, even on a road bike.

Fat Boy

You could just adjust your brake until it's dragging as well. What's the point?

I think umd's greater point is that ***** is an idiot. He's correct.

enfilade

Meh, umd's overly critical and needs to lighten up. Whether Sick's 'right' or 'wrong' doesn't matter, it's just forum chat.

umd

I guess I didn't get the memo that everyone is supposed to agree about everything regardless of how stupid. We're just chatting, doesn't matter if what we say is wrong. Boo hiss for correcting.

Bottom line is a heavier bike doesn't magically allow you work harder, although it may motivate you to do so. If using a heavier bike makes you feel better about your workout then good for you. But don't delude yourself into thinking you necessarily get a better workout with a heavier bike, or more to the point, that you can't get the same workout with a lighter bike.

$ick3nin.vend3t

Ah... But your central nervous system does.

umd

That makes no sense. If you are pushing 300w up a climb at 80rpm it makes no difference if you are going 10mph or 5mph. The forces on your body are exactly the same.

$ick3nin.vend3t

But I'm increasing the stimulation of the central nervous system. Away from cycling (but the prinicipal remains exactly the same)... How did Bruce Lee train?... Where did he get his power from???, His speed???...

gregf83 

You're not increasing anything but you are making less sense. What does 'increasing the stimulation of the central nervous system' even mean? I wasn't aware Bruce Lee was an endurance athlete.

umd

The more you type the less sense you make. You shouldn't have turned down uni, you clearly needed it.

Answer me this, what other factors are there that contribte to the workout other than the force on the pedals and the speed at which you move the pedals around (cadence)?

mr geeker

umm... its touche.... but thats neither here nor there...

$ick3nin.vend3t

It means increasing the rate at which your brain can "fire" your muscles more powerfully.... A punch, a kick, spinning the cranks. You train for that, increasing the stimulation by means of training.

Bruce Lee was an endurance athlete in ways (with regards to VO2), "Strength endurance"? Forget about it, in terms of overall complete physical fitness, not many, if any topped him. But this is about power & only a few men could fire there muscles off as quickly as him (due to stimulating his central nervous system through training). I apply them methods which have been around for 100's of years & knock spots off the crap that comes out of sports science labs of today.

Everything is there... Force on the pedals, cadence... ITS HOW YOU GO ABOUT IT Like I said, Power?... I'm talking Bruce Lee.

umd

You're an idiot and I'm going to stop wasting my energy on you.