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We look for a 20% drop in FEV1 (amount you blow out in one second forced breathing) for a methacholine/histamine challenge test to be considered positive. This is not a geographic thing. Other measures can be used but are not standardised. The following is from UpToDate - an excellent reference text for multiple medical subspecialties and refers to methacholine and then to exercise challenge testing:
To interpret a bronchoprovocation challenge test, a graph is drawn plotting the fall in the outcome indicator (eg, FEV1 or SGaw) versus the concentration of provocational agent (show figure 2). The effective concentration that would have resulted in a given change in the outcome indicator is determined by interpolation. This dose of provocative agent, eg, provocative concentration for a 20 percent fall in the FEV1 (PC20-FEV1), is used to interpret the test. DIAGNOSIS — Laboratory testing for EIB conventionally involves six to eight minutes of ergometer or treadmill exercise, sufficient to raise the heart rate to 85 percent of the predicted maximum. Spirometry is checked prior to exercise, and every ten to fifteen minutes thereafter. A test is generally considered positive if the FEV1 falls by 20 percent or more. (See "Bronchoprovocation testing", section on exercise challenge). With respect to the mechanism FYI: Minute ventilation rises with exercise. EIB probably results from changes in airway physiology triggered by the large volume of relatively cool, dry air inhaled during vigorous activity [6,7]. This is supported by the finding that EIB is attenuated when the inspired gas is more fully humidified and closer to body temperature [8,9]. The effect of large-volume dry air inhalation on airway surface osmolality may be the primary stimulus responsible for bronchoconstriction [10]. Other relevant observations regarding EIB include |
Originally Posted by 3cannondales
Wow - there are a lot of people here tossing about some really big words! Bringing it back to layman's terms...
As I mentioned, I was diagnosed about 10 years ago with EIA. I don't get the wheezing, but I just experience difficulty catching my breath. After reading some of your comments, it doesn't sound like I truly have asthma. But, I do know that after I take a puff of atrovent or albuterol, I feel great and can breath normally, while doing the same level of exercise. In other words, doing the same amount of exertion, I'm no longer huffing and puffing. Was I mis-diagnosed? Cheers |
OK, I've only had a collection of tests where I was sitting comfortably in a warm room, and as far as I know, I do not have asthma according to those tests.
Is it possible that my results would be different if I were to go through those same tests while I was exercising? Also, if I don't have asthma, or EIA, what else might cause me to cough for hours after exercise, hacking things up? What else might cause me to rasp and wheeze while I'm cycling? And most importantly why do I hyperventilate when I'm really exerting myself? |
very intelligent and helpful talk here. i'm sure that a meeting of the minds has us experimenting with different triggers and situations. if science hasn't figured it out yet, then what hope do we have as the 'bike forum asthmatics club'
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Originally Posted by Machka
OK, I've only had a collection of tests where I was sitting comfortably in a warm room, and as far as I know, I do not have asthma according to those tests.
Is it possible that my results would be different if I were to go through those same tests while I was exercising? Also, if I don't have asthma, or EIA, what else might cause me to cough for hours after exercise, hacking things up? What else might cause me to rasp and wheeze while I'm cycling? And most importantly why do I hyperventilate when I'm really exerting myself? I am trying to respond without getting into personal medical advice...take it for what it's worth. In my patients where the methacholine challenge has been done and is clearly negative, yet symptoms persist and are suggestive, I would 1) Do a trial of asthma medication, especially those used before exercise (actually I often do this first off....) sometimes even of routine use 2) Do a supervised exercise test either a full cardiopulmonary test or a simpler version with spirometry before and after exercise, along with observation of symptoms during the test. Your mileage may vary, every case is different and you can't practise medicine online.... |
...dredging up an interesting thread, with a bunch of good info...
Originally Posted by harlot
I was diagnosed with EIA when I was 24 and have been dealing with various manifestations of it over the past 10 years. When I lived on the east coast I would have severe attacks in the hot, humid climates and I relied on an inhaler for any cycling or running. When I moved to the PNW I found I could control the EIA much better in this stable, maritime climate, and was eventually able to ditch the inhaler. I was never fond of the inhaler anyway because it would give me the shakes.
Then when I was 31 it came back something fierce and my doc said, "Well here's an inhaler, that's your life again." I knew there had to be a better solution than bowing down to the drug companies so I went to see my friend's naturopath and through a simple food elimination diet (great way to lose 10 lbs) I found out that my asthma was triggered by WHEAT and DAIRY. Once I eliminated these from my diet I literally got my life back and was stronger than ever and had NO asthma attacks. This was during my mountain climbing phase and it doesn't get much more strenuous than breathing at 14k with 40# on your back. I've come to find my limitations and now know that I don't have to eliminate wheat and dairy 100% of the time, but if I want peak performance then I do have to be strict about it. So I wouldn't rely on just drugs to solve EIA issues, look at systemic reasons also. I'm not a hippy freak, I just know that I've had a slew of health issues and this has worked miracles for me. Food sensitivities are a much overlooked segment of health care. I don't know if excersize induced asthma, and excersize induced anaphalaxis are synonomous. |
Hey, lungdoc.
Out of curiosity, is it possible for someone to be unreactive to the methacoline/histamine challenge yet still experience reduced lung capacity when exposed to cold, dry air? I've never had a problem with reduced lung capacity other than when exercising in cold air. One would think that since I live in the Atlanta area (insanely high pollen counts, high ozone levels, the works) that something else would set it off if I had asthma. |
BTW - I've got my inhaler now, so I'll try it out on my next coolish ride.
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I have had asthma since I was 2 years old.. atleast that is when they finaly diagnosed it as asthma. My son also has asthma they have not officioly diagnosed it him yet at 8 years old though. I was told once it was for insurance reasons, so they just call it bronchial spasms. This thread has alot of good information in it, foods and other allergies can severely effect asthma. So can the weather, right before it is about to rain my allergies act up I get the runny nose sneezing etc.. Definately alot better then I was younger. I grew up back east in Virginia I was sick for 6 months of the year. Now I live in SoCal and I have a true asthma attack about every 3-4 years since I have been here. I don't consider slight weezing coughing a asthma attack and I am not currently on any medication. It might be worth while to have a allergy test taken it's possible there is something in your diet or might be a outside influence that is effecting you rather then just the cold. Only thing I did not like is someone calling it a handicap.
I do notice that the cold will bother me a bit, but out here a cold day is 50 degrees.. When I was young 2-7 years old. I would have bad asthma attacks doctors tried to put me on IV's.. in bubbles etc.. I was young did not listen hospital told my parents to take me home and advised wrapping me up in a warm blanket and driving around with the air conditioning on.. I can't give a you a good reason why this helped but it did. Nice steamy shower also did wonders at times, I remember turning on shower hot all the way on and laying on the cold floor a few times .. |
Originally Posted by talyrath
Hey, lungdoc.
Out of curiosity, is it possible for someone to be unreactive to the methacoline/histamine challenge yet still experience reduced lung capacity when exposed to cold, dry air? I've never had a problem with reduced lung capacity other than when exercising in cold air. One would think that since I live in the Atlanta area (insanely high pollen counts, high ozone levels, the works) that something else would set it off if I had asthma. |
I have an appointment with my doctor on Sept 3. It was the soonest that I could get in. I'll continue to ride as usual but will walk the tough hill where I had the problem.
A lot of information here. |
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