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I guess Diets DO work!

Hey everyone!

IM very glad to tell you about this diet that I have been doing (not a publicity diet if thats what you call it)

So the diet consists of High protein, Low Fat, No snacks (only really veggies), No white Flour, No sugar. low carb to no carb (unless riding or major workout), and dinner is your smallest meal. This diet I got from my cousin who is really helping me with cycling, and last tuesday I weighed 182 and i weighed myself on the Sat. that just passed and the scale said 178!!!!!!!! (probably less considering I had clothes on)

It has been working great and i ahve been doing constant excerise and i ahve been making goals about what im doing each week, and hope fully son i will be down to my target weight (160-). Man im really happy.

Just thought i would tell you all!
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High protein, Low Fat, No snacks (only really veggies), No white Flour, No sugar. low carb to no carb (unless riding or major workout), and dinner is your smallest meal

Not a diet. This is just the right way to eat. Everything else is a diet. When you eat the way you a suppose to you get healthy. If you diet you get sick.
Congratulations on finding the PROPER diet (i.e. way of eating)
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The rapid weight loss is not fat, it's depletd glycogen stores.you can't rid fat that fast.
And you don't need more then 130 140 grams of protien a day. besides "any" diet works that cuts calories junk food or not. burn more then you eat.
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You'll also want to be careful not to cut fat/sugar completely out of your diet ...
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Yeah, anything low carb pretty much loses my attention quickly. I wholeheartedly believe in teh food pyramid, where carbohydrate makes up the base. I agree that avoiding refined sugars and white flour, for the most part, is a good idea. However, cutting carbs and cycling doesn't really make much sense (and your kidneys do not like to process extar protein), as carb diets are for those who are too lazy to go out and actually work to lose weight. Don't get me wrong, CONGRATULATIONS on starting a weight loss regimen. However, I would discuss your weight loss program with a dietician before you go gung ho with anything low carb. I lost 180 punds on a very high carb diet (~60-65% of calories consumed), so I am living proof that carbs fit very well into a weight loss program.

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I must agree with the above posts- if you go low carb you will feel like crap, will not be able to think, and eventually crash and burn. Pacesetter is right in what he says- you only need 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight, in your case 178 grams per day (and this does'nt have to be just meats, don't forget that vegetables contain protein). Also, it should be noted for all the high protein consumers that, your body can only utilise 60-80grams of protein at a time, if you consume too much protein it will be converted into fat and in addition, it is really bad for the bodies digestive function- if you don't believe me, see what happens if you fast for three days or do a detox; after 2 days you have heaps of energy, since soo much has been wasted on processing tonnes of protein. In addition, never cut fats out, especially healthy fats; like those found in avocado, flaxseed oil, nuts etc... these are very important and help you from craving refined junk foods. My suggestion is to eat lots of vegetables and eat more protein towards the evening. The only exception being, that if you ride in the morning or did an intense ride the night before you should have a recovery meal with more protein immediately afterwards- it must also have a lot of carbs to aid recovery. I hope these suggestions can be of help, I'm only a beginner cyclist but I do understand nutrition- don't buy into the latest high protein low carb fad. If you stop to think about it it really is crazy- high protein diet do increase your metabolism, but they do so by causing the body to become inefficient and burn more energy by utlising its energy on digestion of heaps of protein. If you combine cycling-which uses a lot of the bodies resources i.e. take energy away from digestive functions- and then add tonnes of protein to the body, it is obvious that it will not be well utilised. Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by kalpa
I must agree with the above posts- if you go low carb you will feel like crap, will not be able to think, and eventually crash and burn. Pacesetter is right in what he says- you only need 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight, in your case 178 grams per day (and this does'nt have to be just meats, don't forget that vegetables contain protein). Also, it should be noted for all the high protein consumers that, your body can only utilise 60-80grams of protein at a time, if you consume too much protein it will be converted into fat and in addition, it is really bad for the bodies digestive function- if you don't believe me, see what happens if you fast for three days or do a detox; after 2 days you have heaps of energy, since soo much has been wasted on processing tonnes of protein. In addition, never cut fats out, especially healthy fats; like those found in avocado, flaxseed oil, nuts etc... these are very important and help you from craving refined junk foods. My suggestion is to eat lots of vegetables and eat more protein towards the evening. The only exception being, that if you ride in the morning or did an intense ride the night before you should have a recovery meal with more protein immediately afterwards- it must also have a lot of carbs to aid recovery. I hope these suggestions can be of help, I'm only a beginner cyclist but I do understand nutrition- don't buy into the latest high protein low carb fad. If you stop to think about it it really is crazy- high protein diet do increase your metabolism, but they do so by causing the body to become inefficient and burn more energy by utlising its energy on digestion of heaps of protein. If you combine cycling-which uses a lot of the bodies resources i.e. take energy away from digestive functions- and then add tonnes of protein to the body, it is obvious that it will not be well utilised. Hope this helps.
What isaid was an over view, very basic way of explaining it. This also to lose the weight, trust me i am excersizing like a mad man. When i say sugar i only mean literal sugar(e.g. candy) I still eat fruit and stuff like that, also I do eat good fat, again literal fat (cheeseburgers). And to what trekke said its not a diet im just eating right and getting into shape. Right now im not using that many carbs because my workouts have not been really intense enough and if i eat too many it will turn into fat. I understand what everyone is saying but to get what im talking about?
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Ahh, well then I'll share my secret too. I've lost about 30 lbs. by eating MORE carbs. I've had to because otherwise I'll feel like I got beat up after the 25 miles/day 5x/week I typically do. Actually I'm eating more in general, including more "good" fats as suggested above (particularly avocados . . .MMM!).

Losing weight is not purely about what types of foods you eat. It's about burning more than you take in, simple. You *need* carbs, you *need* fat, just as you *need* protein. The "right" way to eat is the proper mix of these, not the total or near elimintation of any particular one.
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Exactley I am doing the proper mix for "right" now, Its thew way it is because i am not riding as much, but it will change in about a week I hope (then itll be nice and i will ride away!)
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Originally Posted by hi565
Exactley I am doing the proper mix for "right" now, Its thew way it is because i am not riding as much, but it will change in about a week I hope (then itll be nice and i will ride away!)
I was speaking more to Trekke's suggestion that low carb is the only "right" way to eat, period. It's not, and as others here and in numerous other threads have suggested, it's actually a very bad way to eat for active people such as cyclists.

At any rate: congrats on your progress, and good luck with your program.
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Originally Posted by hi565
Hey everyone!

IM very glad to tell you about this diet that I have been doing (not a publicity diet if thats what you call it)

So the diet consists of High protein, Low Fat, No snacks (only really veggies), No white Flour, No sugar. low carb to no carb (unless riding or major workout), and dinner is your smallest meal. This diet I got from my cousin who is really helping me with cycling, and last tuesday I weighed 182 and i weighed myself on the Sat. that just passed and the scale said 178!!!!!!!! (probably less considering I had clothes on)

It has been working great and i ahve been doing constant excerise and i ahve been making goals about what im doing each week, and hope fully son i will be down to my target weight (160-). Man im really happy.

Just thought i would tell you all!
Congratulations on your water weight loss from your Atkins diet! And the stunted growth from depriving your growing bones from the necessary carbs needed is an extra thumbs up! Whoooooooooo!



Seriously, though... whoever is "training" you should have dissuaded you from such a drastic diet, which makes it clear to all of us (I think) that the person who's "helping" you doesn't really have a clear idea about training, especially training teens. It's great that you cut out the starchy stuff and the processed foods, but there's nothing in the good book that prevents you from eating foods high in complex carbs and whole wheat. I'd recommend you revise your diet, and if you have real questions about how to eat properly and train, see a nutritionist that specializes in dealing with kids.

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This is just great!

Now i feel like im doign everything wrong, and that im not losing weight, and that its not working. Just ****ing wonderful.
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This is just great!

Now i feel like im doign everything wrong, and that im not losing weight, and that its not working. Just ****ing wonderful.
Well, I think your commitment to losing weight is there, but how to go about doing it... that's where the problems start.

Number one- see a doctor. It's great when kids realize they may have a problem with weight, but you are growing, and therefore, you have special needs beyond what an adult needs. So see your pediatrician first and talk to him or her about your goals, and get an assessment of what you should and shouldn't be doing.

Number two- if someone is "helping" you with your cycling, they need to be aware of how to properly train teens. Done incorrectly, it can lead to problems with stunted growth, broken bones, etc. later down the line. So it would be a good idea to at least get someone to supervise you for your training efforts.

Number three- it is never a good idea to restrict carbs. It's great if you want to cut back on processed foods, and I am all for that! BUT to cut back on carbs altogether? No way, man. As I pointed out before, you are still growing. Carbs are essential for providing energy for your body to grow. Restricting carbs during this time in your development can be harmful... well, it will be harmful. So don't do it. Better to educate yourself on how to properly eat and what type of foods you should be reaching for vs. what kinds of food you should be avoiding. A good nutritionist who specializes in eating for kids would be great for you, and even better for you if they deal with kids who are athletes.

It sounds like your intentions are good, but it's just you need people around you that can educate you so you make good, sensible, sound choices. So hang in there, don't go with the quick fix, seek professional help, and report back to the forums and let us help you through the hard bits.

Good luck.

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I always try to use these forums responsibly. I get some great tips, but I have to use my own common sense to know which tips actually apply to me and my situation. I have also learned to put a lot more stock in what certain individuals say. Koffee, for one, has never steered me wrong. But some people are excited about what has worked for THEM, and they are not really thinking about what might work for YOU.

Obviously, a doctor or nutritionist that you (or your insurance) are paying is likely to put your needs first. Get some basic knowledge from them, then use the forum for tips and (especially) encouragement.
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Originally Posted by koffee brown
Well, I think your commitment to losing weight is there, but how to go about doing it... that's where the problems start.

Number one- see a doctor. It's great when kids realize they may have a problem with weight, but you are growing, and therefore, you have special needs beyond what an adult needs. So see your pediatrician first and talk to him or her about your goals, and get an assessment of what you should and shouldn't be doing.

Number two- if someone is "helping" you with your cycling, they need to be aware of how to properly train teens. Done incorrectly, it can lead to problems with stunted growth, broken bones, etc. later down the line. So it would be a good idea to at least get someone to supervise you for your training efforts.

Number three- it is never a good idea to restrict carbs. It's great if you want to cut back on processed foods, and I am all for that! BUT to cut back on carbs altogether? No way, man. As I pointed out before, you are still growing. Carbs are essential for providing energy for your body to grow. Restricting carbs during this time in your development can be harmful... well, it will be harmful. So don't do it. Better to educate yourself on how to properly eat and what type of foods you should be reaching for vs. what kinds of food you should be avoiding. A good nutritionist who specializes in eating for kids would be great for you, and even better for you if they deal with kids who are athletes.

It sounds like your intentions are good, but it's just you need people around you that can educate you so you make good, sensible, sound choices. So hang in there, don't go with the quick fix, seek professional help, and report back to the forums and let us help you through the hard bits.

Good luck.

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yah, I dont really cut them out completely, I just dont eat excessive amounts. Its pretty much in the end eating right and making the right desicions, Its basically what i said before, buit what said before was a little vague.
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Well, you weren't vague to me. It sounds like you go low carb unless you plan to exercise, then you eat more carbs.

There's a difference between good carbs (stuff that's not processed, like whole wheat and grains) and bad carbs (processed flour and processed foods). It's like there's a difference between good fats (unsaturated fats, omega 3 fatty acids, etc.) and bad fats (saturated fats, trans fats, sugary snacks). This is why I think it's so important for you to see a nutritionist. It's still not good when you're going low carb except when you're going to exercise too. You need energy throughout the entire day, not just during an exercise routine.

The body is pretty complex. It's a lot more complex than we all think, so it's important that if we're about to do something to it, that we at least know what we're doing to the body so we don't end up doing more harm than good.

Ask your parents if their insurance would cover a trip to a nutritionist or a registered dietitian. If so, then you should schedule an appointment with one. Soon.

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Chris Carmichael has done several articles that anyone in training or doing sports like cycling should not be doing low carb diets and I agree... I can see cutting back on your carbs a little if that dominates your diet, but you need the carbs for fuel.. Protein is much harder to break down and use for immediate fuel like carbs..
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Originally Posted by koffee brown
Well, you weren't vague to me. It sounds like you go low carb unless you plan to exercise, then you eat more carbs.

There's a difference between good carbs (stuff that's not processed, like whole wheat and grains) and bad carbs (processed flour and processed foods). It's like there's a difference between good fats (unsaturated fats, omega 3 fatty acids, etc.) and bad fats (saturated fats, trans fats, sugary snacks). This is why I think it's so important for you to see a nutritionist. It's still not good when you're going low carb except when you're going to exercise too. You need energy throughout the entire day, not just during an exercise routine.

The body is pretty complex. It's a lot more complex than we all think, so it's important that if we're about to do something to it, that we at least know what we're doing to the body so we don't end up doing more harm than good.

Ask your parents if their insurance would cover a trip to a nutritionist or a registered dietitian. If so, then you should schedule an appointment with one. Soon.

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I shall talk to my parents and see if i can go see one!

I actually think that my old baby sitter iss becoming oe, Freebie(i hope)

ON TO WKRING ON THE TON OF HOMWORK THAT I HAVE! WOOHOOO
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182 pounds? thats heavy
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Originally Posted by golden graham
182 pounds? thats heavy
LOL, a little late buddy
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yeah, I know that was last year.

I am at a sustained 155 now and proud!

I totally bypassed the thought that I had in the first post a long long time ago...
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I lost 65# with a high-carb/med-protein/low-fat diet. It took about a year, but the main benefit is that I'm riding a lot faster now than a year ago. The weight-loss was a side-effect of getting into shape. Got about another 30 to go and I'll be ready for racing this summer...
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Maybe its a matter of symantics, but I'm philosophically opposed to dieting. By common conception, a diet is a temporary food plan used to lose weight. Once you've lost weight, you can go off the diet, and consequently gain the weight back. The problem with some yo-yo diets is you lose...muscle mass. Gain...fat. Lose...muscle mass, etc.

This past year I lost 50 pounds by changing my lifestyle (including modifying what/how much I eat). Its a lifestyle, so its a lifelong change.
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I agree, diets are short terms fixes and the weight will come back on once you leave the diet. If you want to lose weight you need a lifestyle change with slow, regular weight loss. Their is lots of bad advice out there to weed through so I'm going to only give you some basic tips. Be conscious of what you are eating, cut out the garbage food and exercise more.

This worked for me. I lost 95 pounds over 14 months with a combination of excercise, strength training, lots of cycling and eliminating the garbage food. I went from 269 to 174. I enjoy what I eat but I stay away from things like chips, junk food, soda, fast food, processed food, and gooey white bread. I try to eat more whole grains, vegetables, fruits, high quality meat cuts, and fish. Oh yeah, most important is portion control.

I hope this helps you out.

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Yeah, I think most people's terminology for "diet" really means "a different diet" and implied in there is "temporary". They use it to cause some change from their current weight. However, once they achieve their goals, they slack off and the weight goes back up. Thus the need for yet another fad diet that will help them lose it again. Hence the roller-coaster yo-yo effect most people have on "diets".

I prefer to think of it as more than just food-intake, but a larger lifestyle change that's permanent. I aim for fitness improvements using measurements like LT, VO2-max, max-power, power@ various durations, resting-HR, HR-recovery rate and weight-loss is just a natural side-effect of improving fitness. For me, the lifestyle change was cutting back on the partying, drinking & food-binges late at night (FatBurger and Carrows are only places open at 2am). Getting up earlier and increasing my exercise time daily (up from non-existent to 2-5hr/day). Going vegetarian and tracking my food-intake let me consistently maintain a 500-calorie deficit each day. I tried increasing that to 700-calorie/day, but found that I wasn't able to do the rides I wanted to for maximum performance-increases (lost too much muscle mass as well).

So in the end I have a variable-intake ratio depending upon total calories. I keep proteins constant at about 80-120gm/day (~450-calories) and fats at about 40-60gm (~500-calories) and then I'll make up the rest with carbs depending upon teh workouts. On a 2000-calorie recovery day, I'll take in about 1000-calories in carbs for a 50/25/25 ratio and on a 5000-calorie endurance day it becomes a 80/10/10 ratio. The main consistency is that I take in fewer calories than I burn off.

I've got another 30-35 lbs to go for a total of -100 lbs in less than 2-years and I'll be ready for racing this summer!
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