Originally Posted by Rowan (Post 16809420)

There are way too many environmental factors that might affect claimed lowered testosterone levels, and sheeting the cause home to one single element, soy, is stretching the rubber band to breaking point.

How about trying the concept that lower physical activity and obesity in general are primary causes?

Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 16810252)

It has been well documented that the consumption of soy can cause menstrual issues which points to it's effects as an endocrine disruptor and in my wife's case, endometriosis made her particularly sensitive to unfermented soy which increased her levels of pain which again, points to soy as being an endocrine disruptor.

In other cases it can relieve symptoms and again, this stems from the phytoestrogen found in soy.

It is strongly suggested that infants should not be fed soy formula unless they have issues with cow's milk or are not breastfeeding as they are much more sensitive to the effects of soy than adults and consume much larger quantities when they are nursing.

Do you suffer from such an extreme case cognitive dissonance to not recognize that this might be a problem ?

Soy is second to corn as a cash crop in the U.S. (if we exclude cannabis) and it is big business with sales of soy based products topping 5 billion dollars a year, the U.S. is also the world's largest producer of soybeans which can also lay claim to being the most genetically modified crop on the planet because Monsanto is in the business of selling Roundup.

I call this healthy skepticism... not hysteria.

Originally Posted by Rowan (Post 16812943)

You are making statements without citing.

The US is not the only country that grows soy. Obviously, there is a lot grown in Asia to sustain that population.

The dots you haven't connected concern the fact that the one group in the world can eat so much of it, yet the population of another "first world" country seems to have so many issues with it.

The hysteria comes from trying to blame one food group for the problems that people have without taking into account the other medical and environmental factors. Such as overeating, low physical activity and contact with a huge spectrum of everyday, household compounds that people ingest, but don't eat.

Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 16813245)

I don't blame one food group... there is a lot of crap out there that people should be avoiding or limiting.

Asians use soy as a condiment more than they do as a food, and much of that soy is fermented which alters it's properties. These concerns with soy seem to have started when baby formula became soy based and many other foods started having soy added to them which greatly increased the consumption of soy in the U.S.

I put soy oil in the same "not good" category as canola oil.

And yes... over-eating is a problem, people should be active, and our environment is toxic.

Originally Posted by Rowan (Post 16816347)

When some baby formula became soy based. Even this thread contains information on that. And this is the sort of rhetoric and hysteria that is used to argue against something that some​ people don't like.