Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Utility Cycling
Reload this Page >

Kona makes an Xtracycle?

Utility Cycling Want to haul groceries, beer, maybe even your kids? You don't have to live car free to put your bike to use as a workhorse. Here's the place to share and learn about the bicycle as a utility vehicle.

Kona makes an Xtracycle?

Old 07-12-07, 04:33 PM
  #1  
diode
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5

Bikes: '06 Kona Sutra, 03 Kona Kahuna Deluxe, '02 Haro Flair, '99 Voodoo Bokor, '7x Falcon

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Kona makes an Xtracycle?

Looks like Kona is making an longtail bike like the Surly Big Dummy for 08.

diode is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 05:08 PM
  #2  
Raiyn
I drink your MILKSHAKE
 
Raiyn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Posts: 15,061

Bikes: 2003 Specialized Rockhopper FSR Comp, 1999 Specialized Hardrock Comp FS, 1971 Schwinn Varsity

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Gotta love the swing towards utility bicycling.
__________________
Raiyn is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 05:15 PM
  #3  
Blue Order
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 7,281
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I don't get it. What's the difference between a bike like this, and one that is converted with a kit?
Blue Order is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 05:18 PM
  #4  
notfred
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 1,169
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Blue Order
I don't get it. What's the difference between a bike like this, and one that is converted with a kit?
You don't have to convert this one.

The question is basically the same as "Why would you buy complete bike when you can assemble one yourself from parts?"
notfred is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 05:25 PM
  #5  
Allen
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 4,697
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts
That's beautiful. God I love work bikes.
It really needs horizontal dropouts, that thing screams for an internal hub.
{edit}
& a double legged kickstand, or one of those rear wheel stands like on Dutch bikes. Much better for dealing with heavy loads.

Last edited by Allen; 07-12-07 at 07:07 PM.
Allen is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 06:01 PM
  #6  
Raiyn
I drink your MILKSHAKE
 
Raiyn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Posts: 15,061

Bikes: 2003 Specialized Rockhopper FSR Comp, 1999 Specialized Hardrock Comp FS, 1971 Schwinn Varsity

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Blue Order
I don't get it. What's the difference between a bike like this, and one that is converted with a kit?
  • You don't have to buy a bike and a kit separately
  • No assembly required
  • Theoretically stronger than a bolt together kit
  • Most people who buy the kits NEVER TAKE THEM BACK APART
  • Purpose built so there's no "make it work" headaches
__________________
Raiyn is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 06:02 PM
  #7  
fuerein
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Alexandria, VA
Posts: 222

Bikes: 2005 Specialized Sirrus

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Blue Order
I don't get it. What's the difference between a bike like this, and one that is converted with a kit?
The kit converts a bike that was never designed to act as a long-tail to a long-tail, which can cause trouble for some people/bikes. A bike designed as a long tail will never have trouble acting as a long-tail because it is exactly what it was designed for.
fuerein is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 06:13 PM
  #8  
cccorlew
Erect member since 1953
 
cccorlew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Antioch, CA (SF Bay Area)
Posts: 6,949

Bikes: Roubaix Expert, Motobecane Ti Century Elite turned commuter, Cannondale F500 Mtn bike, Some old French thing gone fixie

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 84 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Nice. How much?
cccorlew is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 06:23 PM
  #9  
Schwinnrider
Mirror slap survivor
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sunny Florida
Posts: 1,297

Bikes: Gunnar Sport, Surly Pacer, Access MTB, Ibex Corrida, one day a Simple City

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
The beauty of the Xtracycle system is the cool parts you attach to the Free Radical. The Surly Big Dummy is Xtracycle compatible--Freeloaders, Snapdeck, and the whole lot. Is the Kona?
Schwinnrider is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 06:42 PM
  #10  
fuerein
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Alexandria, VA
Posts: 222

Bikes: 2005 Specialized Sirrus

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Schwinnrider
The beauty of the Xtracycle system is the cool parts you attach to the Free Radical. The Surly Big Dummy is Xtracycle compatible--Freeloaders, Snapdeck, and the whole lot. Is the Kona?
I agree. Those tiny panniers look a bit silly on that long-tail. Now if Kona made some Xtracycle-style accessories that took full advantage of the length of that tail, it'd be better than those ridiculously small panniers they show in that image.
fuerein is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 06:49 PM
  #11  
Bikepacker67
Banned
 
Bikepacker67's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ogopogo's shoreline
Posts: 4,086

Bikes: LHT, Kona Smoke

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by AllenG
That's beautiful. God I love work bikes.
Ya me too...
There's something elegant about utilitarianism put into practice.
Bikepacker67 is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 07:04 PM
  #12  
Allen
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 4,697
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts
^^^^
That's probably why I think the DC3 is the best looking plane ever built.
Allen is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 07:33 PM
  #13  
JeffS
not a role model
 
JeffS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,659
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Schwinnrider
The beauty of the Xtracycle system is the cool parts you attach to the Free Radical. The Surly Big Dummy is Xtracycle compatible--Freeloaders, Snapdeck, and the whole lot. Is the Kona?
No, it's clearly not.

I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand, I think having the upper rails integrated into the frame is a huge plus. Unfortunately, that means passing on the xtracycle accessories. They could easily be recreated by someone to fit this frame, but until they are, having this long bike for those puny paniers is pointless.

If I were a do-it-yourself'er, I'd buy this over the Big Dummy. I'm not though, so I would have to pass until I saw aftermarket accessories to complete this bike.

BTW, where did the picture go? I saw it earlier, but it's not showing up now.
JeffS is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 09:21 PM
  #14  
Old Dirt Hill
Bring That Beat Back
 
Old Dirt Hill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: I lost my legs
Posts: 937
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Someone please show them how to adjust a front fender.
Old Dirt Hill is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 09:28 PM
  #15  
diode
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5

Bikes: '06 Kona Sutra, 03 Kona Kahuna Deluxe, '02 Haro Flair, '99 Voodoo Bokor, '7x Falcon

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I found it on a czech mountain biking website, unfortunately I don't read czech, so I can only tell you it costs 19,990 korunys. Which according to Google is about 999 dollars. Not a bad deal if someone makes some Xtracycle style addons. Also, the website said something about a Smoke 2-9 commuter, which could be pretty cool too.

Oh, here is the site:
http://www.mtbs.cz/Biketech/Technews/kona2008news.html
diode is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 10:16 PM
  #16  
Lot's Knife
Senior Member
 
Lot's Knife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 522
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by AllenG
That's beautiful. God I love work bikes.
It really needs horizontal dropouts, that thing screams for an internal hub.
{edit}
& a double legged kickstand, or one of those rear wheel stands like on Dutch bikes. Much better for dealing with heavy loads.
+1 That spindly kickstand is not going to get 'er dun.

Give it an internal hub, a rear fender and a dynamo light system, and I'm there.
Lot's Knife is offline  
Old 07-12-07, 11:11 PM
  #17  
donnamb 
tired
 
donnamb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 5,652

Bikes: Breezer Uptown 8, U frame

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Lot's Knife
+1 That spindly kickstand is not going to get 'er dun.

Give it an internal hub, a rear fender and a dynamo light system, and I'm there.
Really though, it should be Xtracycle compatible.
__________________
"Real wars of words are harder to win. They require thought, insight, precision, articulation, knowledge, and experience. They require the humility to admit when you are wrong. They recognize that the dialectic is not about making us look at you, but about us all looking together for the truth."
donnamb is offline  
Old 07-13-07, 06:58 AM
  #18  
legot73
meep!
 
legot73's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 616

Bikes: 2006 Kona Jake, 2005 Giant Lite Xtracycle, 2004 Trek L200, 1997 Specialized RockHopper FS, 1989 Trek 950

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Another advantage the Big Dummy and this Kona have over an Xtracycle is that you can probably get your hands on one sooner than an Xtracycle.

I ordered one in May, and it won't even ship until August (so far).
__________________
Nothing says "in good times and in bad" like a good pair of fenders
legot73 is offline  
Old 07-13-07, 07:15 AM
  #19  
Sammyboy
The Legitimiser
 
Sammyboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Southampton, UK
Posts: 4,846

Bikes: Gazelle Trim Trophy, EG Bates Track Bike, HR Bates Cantiflex bike, Nigel Dean fixed gear conversion, Raleigh Royal, Falcon Westminster.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
In terms of being built right, that's the best longtail I've seen so far. If they make the accessories too, I'm there.
Sammyboy is offline  
Old 07-13-07, 07:22 AM
  #20  
knucklesandwich
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 909

Bikes: Kona Jake (2006)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I'm moving from a residential/suburban neighborhood to a more urban/dense one in a couple months, and we're planning to leave the cars at home much more often. (Right now, I'm good at commuting 4-5 days a week by bike, and running some errands, but still do our food shopping, etc via car.

A bike like this is creeping up my (n + 1) list...
knucklesandwich is offline  
Old 07-13-07, 08:18 AM
  #21  
whatsmyname
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 684
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by JeffS
having this long bike for those puny paniers is pointless.
Do you think you'd be able just to put two panniers side by side, though? I'd prefer that over the open bucket Extracycle ones, I think.
whatsmyname is offline  
Old 07-13-07, 08:29 AM
  #22  
fender1
Senior Member
 
fender1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Berwyn PA
Posts: 5,980

Bikes: I hate bikes!

Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 249 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 4 Posts
I am missing it on these bikes. What do they offer that a trailer doesn't? These bikes have one specific use, where as a touring bike and a trailer have many combined uses.
fender1 is offline  
Old 07-13-07, 08:34 AM
  #23  
bhtooefr
Roadmaster Snobbery Club
 
bhtooefr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Newark, Ohio
Posts: 749

Bikes: 2002 Dahon Boardwalk 1, 2011 TerraTrike Path 8

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by fender1
I am missing it on these bikes. What do they offer that a trailer doesn't? These bikes have one specific use, where as a touring bike and a trailer have many combined uses.
Better handling and lower rolling resistance than a touring bike with hitched trailer, and also, you can do this if it doesn't have enough cargo capacity:

bhtooefr is offline  
Old 07-13-07, 08:58 AM
  #24  
fender1
Senior Member
 
fender1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Berwyn PA
Posts: 5,980

Bikes: I hate bikes!

Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 249 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 4 Posts
meh...seems to me to be more marketing than function. I would wonder without the advent of a stokemonkey or somehting similar, how much weight someone could realistically carry over anyhting other than very flat terrain or short distances? Speaking from a day to day life praciticality standpoint.
fender1 is offline  
Old 07-13-07, 09:46 AM
  #25  
Sammyboy
The Legitimiser
 
Sammyboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Southampton, UK
Posts: 4,846

Bikes: Gazelle Trim Trophy, EG Bates Track Bike, HR Bates Cantiflex bike, Nigel Dean fixed gear conversion, Raleigh Royal, Falcon Westminster.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Lots of people are using these to haul lots of stuff, specially over relatively short distances - <10 miles. They do the sort of things cars can do, but without burning oil. Go to the Car Free Forum - they will change your mind.
Sammyboy is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.