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Old 07-02-08, 03:18 AM
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Rim choice for a utility bike?

It's pretty easy to narrow down which rims are favored in the more niche bike communities (like, say, for a dirt jumping bike), but I'm trying to figure out what rim to use for my cargo bike, on a rear wheel running a Shimano Nexus hub, and the array of choices is completely bewildering. Even just looking at Alex rims, since they're known for affordability, there are still a bazillion choices with no clear indication of what's best for what. ("Here's our 15 downhill rims. Here's our 15 mtb rims. Here's our 15 road rims. Have fun figuring it out!")

Are there any reliable, cheap 36 hole rims preferred by the utility crowd? Weight isn't really important. Super-mega strength isn't important, either -- I carry my loads on the front with a cetma rack, and I'm skinny -- but I'll take something needlessly burly over something somewhat flimsy.

edit: no disc-only rims, please

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Not sure what you consider cheap, but I like the Sun Rhyno Lite for strength. I built a Nexus on one for my Xtracycle, and am very happy with it towing 90lbs of kids + sports equipment.
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Mavic A719 rims are very good, in my experience.
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Just like anything else when it comes to down & dirty hard work.....steel is real!
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Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
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Mavic A719 rims are very good, in my experience.
What a coincidence, I was spec'ing some wheels for my bike and had decided on the Mavic XM719 wheels. What I was stuck on was rim tape width. The recommended size according to the Mavic page (http://www.mavic.com/mtb/products/XM...sc.995003.aspx) is 559 x 20 x 0.6.

I'm going to assume that the recommended width is 20mm. Is this correct? Given that my three rim tape choices are 17, 19 and 22mm I suppose that means I should go with the 19mm width.

Are my assumptions correct? Thanks.
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Just like anything else when it comes to down & dirty hard work.....steel is real!
... unless that work involves stopping a heavy load with rim brakes on a wet wheel, then steel is certainly an exciting choice, but not necessarily the best.
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Salsa Delgado, Mavic Open Sport and Sun CR18, at the less expensive end of the spectrum. Velocity Dyad or Mavic A719 at the more expensive end. I would probably pick between the Salsa and Velocity.
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Rhyno Lites are tough and sort of cheap.

I really do not recommend steel wheels. And I am not a snoob about old tech on a bike. Steel is heavy. Steel is no stronger than a stout alluminum wheel. Steel does not brake well at all. Steel does not brake at all when wet.

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Rhyno Lites are tough and sort of cheap.

I really do not recommend steel wheels. And I am not a snoob about old tech on a bike. Steel is heavy. Steel is no stronger than a stout alluminum wheel. Steel does not brake well at all. Steel does not brake at all when wet.

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Steel is cheap, strong, and will stop well when used correctly wet or not.

You can overdrive any wheel so it behooves the rider with a load to use common sense braking........steel or not.

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No one mentioned the Mavic A319, just as strong as the A719 but heavier and half the price!
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I've seen Mavic EN321 recommended also.
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Originally Posted by Tightwad View Post
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Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred
Which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
Disc brakes.
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There are a lot of reviews on http://www.mtbr.com/, so far I have not been steered wrong by picking products that have a lot of reviews as well as a high rating.

I'm thinking either Velocity Aero Heat or Sun Rhyno Lites for rims, which I am also in the market for currently. The Aero Heats sorta seem like the little brother of the Deep Vee, which is definitely a well regarded rim.

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I guess the Rhyno Lite would've been my default, but it seems like I can get away just fine with a cheaper rim, which is why I asked. Via some google searching, I read that the Alex DM24 is basically a copy of the Rhyno Lite, and if you look at the cross section of each, that seems roughly true. And the Alex is half the price ($40 vs $20). So it seems like a pretty good option. I saw discussions about it being decent for freeride/urban assault/etc, so if that's the case then it's plenty strong enough for my needs.

Rhyno Lite: http://www.webcyclery.com/image.php?productid=16560
DM24: http://www.universalcycles.com/image...edium/7279.jpg

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What a coincidence, I was spec'ing some wheels for my bike and had decided on the Mavic XM719 wheels. What I was stuck on was rim tape width. The recommended size according to the Mavic page (http://www.mavic.com/mtb/products/XM...sc.995003.aspx) is 559 x 20 x 0.6.

I'm going to assume that the recommended width is 20mm. Is this correct? Given that my three rim tape choices are 17, 19 and 22mm I suppose that means I should go with the 19mm width.

Are my assumptions correct? Thanks.
I've always used a couple of layers of electrical tape as rim tape. Haven't ever had a problem, even under high pressure (130psi) skinny road tires. If you already have the tape I'd go with the 19.
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Originally Posted by mackstann View Post
I guess the Rhyno Lite would've been my default, but it seems like I can get away just fine with a cheaper rim, which is why I asked. Via some google searching, I read that the Alex DM24 is basically a copy of the Rhyno Lite, and if you look at the cross section of each, that seems roughly true. And the Alex is half the price ($40 vs $20). So it seems like a pretty good option. I saw discussions about it being decent for freeride/urban assault/etc, so if that's the case then it's plenty strong enough for my needs.

Rhyno Lite: http://www.webcyclery.com/image.php?productid=16560
DM24: http://www.universalcycles.com/image...edium/7279.jpg
Got my Rhyno Lite from Bikeman.com for $27 (rim only). They also have very reasonable hand-build options for custom setups and do a very nice job.
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I just order a Mavic EN321. Gonna build up the wheel with my Nuvinci hub.
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Originally Posted by mackstann View Post
It's pretty easy to narrow down which rims are favored in the more niche bike communities (like, say, for a dirt jumping bike), but I'm trying to figure out what rim to use for my cargo bike, on a rear wheel running a Shimano Nexus hub, and the array of choices is completely bewildering.
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If you know you'll always run wider tires (at least 1.5") and you have a 26" wheel bike, then you can look at the cheaper downhill rims. These won't cost much, and will be around a quarter-inch wider than typical 1" wide rims.

You can run lower tire pressures with wide rims (to absorb more bumps) and still get good cornering and handling.
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Rhino Lite is a great combo of durability and value. Available in 40 spoke if you need it. Alex rims may look the same on paper, but the manufacturing quality isn't the same.

Tightwad, do you have examples of good steel rims? I've never seen them on anything but big box "bikes".
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Tightwad, do you have examples of good steel rims? I've never seen them on anything but big box "bikes".
Yes, All of my bikes came with steel wheels including my custom built trike. That said, you need
to shop at other stores than the big box for great bikes. There are/were millions of bikes built
worldwide that use nothing but steel wheels. Aluminum/alloy wheels are for weight weenies,
or racer boys, not for hard honest work.
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Rhino Lite is a great combo of durability and value. Available in 40 spoke if you need it. Alex rims may look the same on paper, but the manufacturing quality isn't the same.
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Your kidding right?

Steel is cheap, strong, and will stop well when used correctly wet or not.

You can overdrive any wheel so it behooves the rider with a load to use common sense braking........steel or not.

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Other than the problem of weight (which is admittedly over-thought by many in the bike world), I stand by my claim that they do not brake as well. Seems like you admit to that too, above. Using your word "overdrive" in my experience it is far, far, far easier to "overdrive" a steel wheel. I take it that means, to be going too fast to stop in time. Where I come from, we simply call that bad braking.

Not sure what your correct method of using them in the wet is, but they don't stop for beans in the wet. Sure, you can drag the pads a bit to dry them and the rim out; this will help. But again, I see this as a problem.

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I just order a Mavic EN321. Gonna build up the wheel with my Nuvinci hub.
That's what I'm running on the Goat, but without longer testing, I can't preach jack squat about reliability. I just trusted Speedgoat.
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Another vote for Rhyno Lites. I have them on my tandem with Shimano Nexus 8 speed hub and my wife's Schwinn cruiser with a Shimano 3 speed hub. Got mine through the LBS under $40.
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Salsa Gordo's... The rear is available up to a 48 spoke! I have a 48 spoke gordo, laced with DT Swiss's into a Shimano Tandem Hub... STRONG LIKE BULL!
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