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Old 10-03-11, 07:20 AM
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I have 8 hours, help me!

Found a great deal on a Joe Box Bike on Craigslist and I'm going to look at it tonight. Wondering if anyone has experience or insight on this? I currently roll a big dummy but have been looking at the CETMA rig, this might be a good financial compromise.

http://www.cabubicycleworks.com/boxbike.htm

What do you think?
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Old 10-03-11, 10:42 AM
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It depends on what you want to do. If you are looking to go decent distances, climb hills, etc, go with the CETMA. If your trips are short, your cargo somewhat light and the terrain is flat, go Box Bike.

Don't get me wrong, the Box bike is a great deal. They did a great job with component selection. At the same time. It's very obvious that they went with very cheap frames to cut costs. I've ridden both. I'm building a CETMA right now, my brother has the Box Bike.

I'm also surprised that they have any Box Bikes in stock. Joe Bike is actually out of them. For 2012, they are increasing pricing, but fixing the frame issues (and building the frames in the US). Should be very interesting where they end up pricing out.
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MossHops, what would you consider decent distances? I'm thinking a neighborhood bike to replace a car. roughly 1 to 2 miles for groceries, daycare, etc. With a rain protector it would be a way to get the little one to daycare in the winter, or hit nearby paths occasionally in the summer. I still think the Big Dummy (which I own) is best for fast, long trips with the kid or picking up a ton of awkward cargo, but the boxbike seems like a good fit for kids in front, socializing, making neighborhood trips, etc. There are hills in the neighborhood and we will go the occasional long distance (over ten miles).

I was planning to pull the trigger on a CETMA frame when this bike came up on Craigslist offering the opport***ty to do the boxbike at a totally reasonable cost. I think I would get the whole bike for the half the cost of the cetma frame and box delivered. The big question is, in this case, am I getting what I pay for? Or am Ig etting a deal on a bike that will do the job I need it to?
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Old 10-03-11, 12:03 PM
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Based on your setup, I would wager that you would be using the Big Dummy in most situations, unless you absolutely have to use the Box Bike. That is, you'll probably use the box bike for the really short trips in bad weather, and then the big dummy for most other things. The BoxBike is just very upright and a bit tight for the rider, so that will probably push you to the dummy for any longer trips.

A couple of reasons I went to the CETMA is that I know the kids are in the boxbike style age bracket for a relatively short period of time, so I wanted a bike that I could drop the box and use it as a real cargo bike once that age range is passed. Also, CETMA's are relatively cheap to build as all the parts are standard mtn. bike parts with the exception of the front wheel. My CETMA build will end up being about 50% more expensive than a boxbike. That includes box and rain canopy, a Nuvinci N360 hub and disc brakes. The only things I am stealing from my mtn bike is a seat, stem, handlebars and chainring.
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Old 10-03-11, 12:18 PM
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A couple of other thoughts:

1. The BoxBike is better sized. It's at least a foot shorter than the CETMA Largo, but the box is wide enough to carry two across.
2. You asked about distances that are comfortable on the BoxBike. Personally, I'd go about 3 miles at most on it. For the CETMA, I'm contemplating a camping trip (23 miles each way).
3. My quote on the CETMA build doesn't account for the "heavy demoed" discount that I got on my frame which saved me $250.
4. That being said, you can build up a CETMA for cheaper than I did with a regular derailleur, and smaller brakes (I got 203MM discs). I'm trying to build a bike that my wife will ride occasionally, but if it was just me, I'd run a 1 x 9 setup.
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Mosshops,

I like that it fits two across, is there room for much else in front of them? Would one kid and a car seat fit?

Are you taller? It looks tight for the rider but I'm 5'9 and imagine it would have to be REAL tight to cramp a short guy like myself.

I'd like to be able to take it for 5-9 miles rides happily, so this news in disconcerting.


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A couple of other thoughts:

1. The BoxBike is better sized. It's at least a foot shorter than the CETMA Largo, but the box is wide enough to carry two across.
2. You asked about distances that are comfortable on the BoxBike. Personally, I'd go about 3 miles at most on it. For the CETMA, I'm contemplating a camping trip (23 miles each way).
3. My quote on the CETMA build doesn't account for the "heavy demoed" discount that I got on my frame which saved me $250.
4. That being said, you can build up a CETMA for cheaper than I did with a regular derailleur, and smaller brakes (I got 203MM discs). I'm trying to build a bike that my wife will ride occasionally, but if it was just me, I'd run a 1 x 9 setup.
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As far as sizes, I'd check out some of the pictures. Here's the boxbike review (positive review, but look at riding positions, etc.): http://chazandginger.blogspot.com/20...des-again.html. Here's another review that would be very close to how I would review the BoxBike: http://reubenscube.net/2011/09/joe-b...x-bike-review/

The CETMA has a lot more room for both rider and passengers: http://cetmacargo.com/CETMAcargoindex.htm

5-9 miles would be tough on the BoxBike, I think, but every rider is different. Like you, I was very torn between these two options. The BoxBike is definitely the cheaper of the two, and you probably could make up most of that money when you sold it as it's the cheapest box bike available and that's going to appeal to a lot of people. At the same time, The difference of frame quality is also very apparent when you ride both.

Trying to be as fair as possible. Joe is a great guy and his shop built my wheels and gave me the leads on a box builder and rain canopy. They are great people. Lane at CETMA's a great guy too. That's why I was happy to throw business to both of them.
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Just realized I didn't answer some of your questions.
1. Don't think it will fit a car seat and a kid on the seat. I think the CETMA would.
2. I'm also 5'9" the cockpit probably won't bother you if you are comfortable in a very upright riding position.
3. I think I got that one answered on the previous post.
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So what did you end up doing?
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I went and test rode it. And the cockpit worked fine with me, shifted smoothly, and handled hills quite nicely (unloaded). It was almost new and he had a second one in a box unassembled and brand spanking new. Anyway, there were some mechanical issues with the front disc brake that we couldn't remedy while there. It is either a wobbly rotor or a poorly installed brake. He came WAY down on the already low price to compensate me for having to deal with dialing it in and offered the second bike, in the box, at an even lower price. So, I walked out of there with two JoeBox bikes for the original Craigslist price for one bike. A killer deal. I'm going to build and tune both of them and then probably try to sell the second one to recoop much of the overall cost. At that price, who could resist?
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Originally Posted by davidmcowan View Post
Found a great deal on a Joe Box Bike on Craigslist and I'm going to look at it tonight. Wondering if anyone has experience or insight on this? I currently roll a big dummy but have been looking at the CETMA rig, this might be a good financial compromise.

http://www.cabubicycleworks.com/boxbike.htm

What do you think?
Here's what I think and would do........

1.) buy it now!
2.) try it for awhile to see if you can use it or like it.
3.) sell it if it just will not work for you.
4.) never worry that you made a mistake by not buying the bike 'cause now you know for sure if it was a keeper or not.

5.) move on with your life with no regrets.
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Mosshops,

Not sure if you are still interested but I've been riding the boxbike for over six months and while I've enjoyed it I've decided to get a CETMA. Ordered it yesterday from a shop that had one on the floor and it will be shipped here in the next week or so. I'm very excited about the bike, now I've just got to find someone to buy the boxbike on craigslist!

Thanks for your sage advice,

Dave
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