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Old 05-09-12, 09:33 AM
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Mini Velo + Xtracycle

I want a longtail that I can fit in the elevator at work (I don't think my 20" Surly KM is up to the task). I came across this image: and wondered if I could stick an Xtracycle on a Bikes Direct Mini-Velo http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/mercier/nano.htm . My concerns:

Will a freeloader take a 20" wheel or will that cause ground clearance issues? In the picture above it looks like he's running a 20 but I'm not 100% sure.

Braking - I'd probably build up a 20" disc wheel for the rear, but do you think the road caliper up front will be up to the task of stopping a loaded cargo bike?

Will this thing be squirrelly as hell?


Let me know what you all think!
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Old 05-10-12, 09:09 AM
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Does it save you all that much in terms of getting in an elevator? By my estimate, the bikes above end up about 3 inches shorter end to end than a 26 inch wheeled bike. In elevator terms, if you turn the front wheel of a regular xtracycle sideways, you will have a bike that is about an inch longer than the 20 inch version.
The ground clearance should only get tight when using the wideloaders. I can get them pretty near the ground on a regular height xtracycle, three inches closer to the ground might be scary. Without the wideloaders, you would have to really lean to get it to touch the ground.
I don't own an xtracycle to have a look, but you should checkif there is enough adjustment in the yoke to attach it without a bunch of modification.
If it were me, I would look at a civia halstead or other short cycle truck style bike. Alternately, i know that my friend Vik used to live with a big dummy in his apartment and he got it in the elevator. I realize that not all elevators are the same size, but most will deal with an xtracycle.
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Old 05-10-12, 10:41 AM
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Nice bike.
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Old 05-10-12, 10:47 AM
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Not sure where you get the 3" shorter idea. My half finished experiments with a 20" homemade longtail produced a bike that is much shorter than a full size bike. The idea of a small wheel cargo bike keeps turning up, again and again. Several has been posted, search the forums. I have posted pictures I found of 20" extra convertions both here and in the folding forums (the one I am working on is an old detatchable so it can be even shorter). I have seenpictures of 20" recumbents w extra atatchment and also tandems and cargobikes w 20" wheels.
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Thanks, Badmother. I did search on the forums but I guess I wasn't using the right terms.

Coldbike, it would most definitely be shorter and easier to carry/wheel through the door. And while I'm sure a 26" cargo bike would "fit" in the elevator, there's almost always a group of people who are already on or getting on when I do and I'd rather not be "that guy". I often carry my aluminum 700c commuter up the 7 flights of stairs, and while it would be much more difficult to do this with a cargo bike, one with 20" wheels would be much easier than one with 26".

I emailed Xtracycle--here's what they had to say:

The FreeRadical is designed with the height of a 26" wheel in mind. As a result, adding a 20" wheel (with it's smaller radius/height) will drop the bottom bracket perilously low to the ground. A 24" wheel would likely work, but we're not confident that a 20" wheel would.

Our superusers forum might have information on people that have tried or successfully made that work. These users share information on mods, DIY projects, retrofits, etc. and if what you're looking for isn't there with a search, you can join the group and post your question. I'd be surprised if someone on the forum hasn't thought of this or even tried it:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rootsradicals/



Another question: if I'm 6'2", how dumb am I going to look on this thing?
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How small is the elevator at work? Most work elevators I have seen would fit an extra. Also is there a freight elevator that could be used as an alternative as they are often bigger than the people elevators. Final question...is work ok with the bike in the office/cube etc.

I bring my bike (not extra) into my cube, but that is not Facilities kosher and I could be forced to move it. We are supposed to use the bike boxes in the parking lot, but my bike doesn fit (spaces are triangluar...my rear baskets don't fit)

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An Xtra would fit in the elevator, but only diagonally or with the front wheel perpendicular to the frame. Not a problem except for when the elevator is full of people (which it usually is) and someone gets a handlebar to the ribs or chain grease on their nice new Dockers. No freight elevator in the building.

Work is cool about bikes. Mine sits in my office all day every day...even when it's dripping wet. I'm "the bike guy" around here
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One of the longtails can rest on its rear rack, standing on its rear with the front wheel in the "sky". Is it the Juba Mundo? Try to find out.

Edit: Her eis the link to a thread in Foldingbike forums: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...els-Cargo-Bike

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One of the longtails can rest on its rear rack, standing on its rear with the front wheel in the "sky". Is it the Juba Mundo? Try to find out.[/URL]
yes - the Yuba can sit vertically on its tail and is quite stable like that. I do that with mine sometimes in my garage. I also have a mini velo (BD Nano). I can scrape the go-getter bags on my Yuba with it's 26" wheels when taking certain turns though I'm not sure I have ever touched the "wide-loader" bars on ground. I could easily see an xtracycle with wideloaders having issues with 20" wheels.
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This is also a question about the distance from the kickstand plate behind the BB and the dropouts on the minivelo. Some good smallwheel bikes har approxemately the same distance between the axels as full size bikes but not all.

Maybe a longtail minivelo need to give up the wideloaders (at least for "normal" riding) and stick to bags? I can use big panniers on my 20" bikes both front and rear as long as I take care and not ride "offroad style".
It all depends why you want a longtail.
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Sadly I don't think you can buy one of these. Quixote cycles entry to the Oregon manifest.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/yokoham...57626895380178


http://www.flickr.com/photos/yokoham...57626895380178

A recent posting in the folding bike forums linked to this photostream.


http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...8#post14329348


Looks like there is going to be a "gathering" for minivelos/folders again in Tokyo soon, this is from last year. This bike looks like a frame built for bigger wheels, at least the fork is. Maybe this is done to bring the BB higher off the ground.

Edit: If you look closely the rig has rear suspension but all the mowement is happening in front of the BB and is therefor possible without serious problems with varying chainlenght when flexing. I wanted to build a DIY small wheel longtail recently and wanted rear suspension but then realised it could not be done with my present frames since it would all happen behind the BB and therefor a serious chaintensioner would be needed.

Hoping for more longtail minivelos on this gathering this year.

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The rig in #11 was a custom build ordered by one of the partner owners
of the clever cycles business in PDX.. the red thing is an electric motor.
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