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Old 05-31-12, 12:29 PM
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Front Pannier vs. Deep Basket

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I am converting a late 1970s Free Spirit to a utility bike for my girlfriend. She wants to be able to carry a good amount of weight, like groceries and the like. I'm trying to decide between a front pannier, like I plan on installing on the rear or a deep front basket. What are your tips on conversions that are budget-friendly? What are the five most important things to have?

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Whatever you install on GF's bike keep the weight low as you can centered on the front and rear axles.

A handle bar basket doesn't do that instead acts like a pendulum when loaded pulling the front wheel back an forth.
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Whatever you install on GF's bike keep the weight low as you can centered on the front and rear axles.

A handle bar basket doesn't do that instead acts like a pendulum when loaded pulling the front wheel back an forth.
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Porteur bikes hauled Newspaper bundles, from the printers dock, to the sales kiosk
in cities such as Paris..
they had big front platforms to haul the bundles of papers, but the fork had little trail.
the rake was actually larger .. but as the line of fork angle and wheel axle plumb line
intersect and cross below the hub.. more rake is compatible with less trail.
so getting maneuverability with a heavy load up front , benefits from less trail.
as measured on the ground ..


the bike I use most has small wheels , the panniers over the front wheel are strapped together..


I'd suggest 2 front bags that come off, and go with her , and a basket behind the seat , on top of the rear rack, for bulky things,
that wont fit in the front panniers.
they actually add stability..

a low riding rack on the front wheel will also add stability,
Clipping them together off the bike makes them more convenient.

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Thanks guys! So I think I'll go with panniers on the front and back, with a basket in the back and bags in the front to keep the weight centered?
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Thanks guys! So I think I'll go with panniers on the front and back, with a basket in the back and bags in the front to keep the weight centered?
The weight must be centered along the axle line for correct balance. The higher the weight the less in balance she will be.
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Thanks guys! So I think I'll go with panniers on the front and back, with a basket in the back and bags in the front to keep the weight centered?
I remember in October of 2011 one of the BF members had a couple of front pannier rack options for trade. IOWEGIAN was his name. You may want to PM him.

I like the front panniers. The bike is more stable than without them and I can easily ride no handed on my Salsa Vaya.
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I remember in October of 2011 one of the BF members had a couple of front pannier rack options for trade. IOWEGIAN was his name. You may want to PM him.

I like the front panniers. The bike is more stable than without them and I can easily ride no handed on my Salsa Vaya.
I have a rack set for front wheel panniers that I'm never going to use. PM if interested.
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The weight must be centered along the axle line for correct balance. The higher the weight the less in balance she will be.
Balance matters a whole lot less than many people think. That's particularly true in the back (I pretty routinely ride with forty or fifty pounds in one rear basket as the only load, with little problem except at a dead stop.). In the front, you wouldn't want to too out of balance, but a few pounds difference isn't going to be noticed.
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http://waldsports.com/index.cfm/wald...rcarriers.html

I still like the ease of dropping groceries into these rear baskets. I actually did camping tours with these on my old Schwinn two speed when I was a kid. Glad to see they are still available.
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I have a rack set for front wheel panniers that I'm never going to use. PM if interested.

I am VERY interested, but I can't PM yet . Only 15 posts, not 50. If you want to email me, its p.j.c.brackett@gmail.com.
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This is so awesome, thanks for all the info. I just picked up a free Univega with a kick-ass seat, rear pannier rack and computer! Can't wait to put them on the Free Spirit!
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This is so awesome, thanks for all the info. I just picked up a free Univega with a kick-ass seat, rear pannier rack and computer! Can't wait to put them on the Free Spirit!
why move them to the free spirit? the Univega is probably the higher quality bike....or are you keeping the univega for yourself and giving the GF the old freespirit Pics will help
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why move them to the free spirit? the Univega is probably the higher quality bike....or are you keeping the univega for yourself and giving the GF the old freespirit Pics will help
She loves her Free Spirt, and I am slowly but surely going to convert the Univega to a full cargo bike. Its a slow project though, and I want to get her bike up and running so we can ride together (I have an old Motobecane as well).
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I am VERY interested, but I can't PM yet . Only 15 posts, not 50. If you want to email me, its p.j.c.brackett@gmail.com.
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I want you to see these new videos. I had to replace the supports under my Coroplast Aerodynamic Spoiler Basket, as the tire was rubbing the bottom of the basket. I used aircraft plywood and five layers of fiberglass to bond and support the structure. The thing is, the new supports can also support lower Cg Panniers on either side.



So do you see my point? You could have BOTH front Panniers and a Handlebar Basket.
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Originally Posted by PJCB View Post
This is so awesome, thanks for all the info. I just picked up a free Univega with a
kick-ass seat,
rear pannier rack and computer! Can't wait to put them on the Free Spirit!
Pardon me for interrupting, , but I believe "kick-ass" is a poor choice of words to describe a bicycle seat...
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