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Old 05-02-07, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by N_C
I will be using the book Effective Cycling as a starter fuel for my charcoal grill this year & when I go camping to light the camp fire. That's about all it is good for.
Have you read Bicycling Street Smarts?
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Originally Posted by sbhikes
What the hell is wrong with being a fred? I'm a total fredette. I wear street clothes most of the time. I ride an average of 12 mph. Often less. On weekends I ride with people who either don't wear lycra or really shouldn't because they are very fat. Some of them are very old, too, and can only go about 6 mph. I wait for them at the rest stops.

I think my experience chugging to work each day counts more than some peloton rider. Peloton riding seems to bear little resemblance to ordinary transportational cycling. How easy it is to puff your chest out about your "skills" when you aren't carrying 40lbs of groceries chugging solo up some huge hill.
Freds do wear lycra, and the peloton is so out in the 21st century, I think you're safe for now!

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Originally Posted by Helmet head
I swear we've been over this before. VC does NOT mean "taking the lane".

On my way home today, I rode in the 2' gutter adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane. It was VC. Know why? Because it was 3 lanes of 60 mph traffic in my direction on a steep uphill where I was going 6 mph. I rode in the same space (only taking less of it) as I would have has I been driving some slow moving construction vehicle.
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I read Effective Cycling, have you HH? It indirectly states, among many other facts, one irrefutable one. VC does mean you take the lane, under no circumstances are cyclists to not do this. At least this is how I interprite much of what the book is about.
Now I've seen it all!

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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
No, but if it is anything like Effective Cycling or if it only gives one sided views like EC, & is full of propaganda that you & JF like to spout off about I have no interest in it. So do tell what it is about before I waste my money on it.
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
On my way home today, I rode in the 2' gutter adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane. It was VC. Know why? Because it was 3 lanes of 60 mph traffic in my direction on a steep uphill where I was going 6 mph. I rode in the same space (only taking less of it) as I would have has I been driving some slow moving construction vehicle.
Sounds like a serious case of cyclist inferiority if you ask me. Call out the white coats! We got a serious one here! But be careful, he thinks he's completly sane and superior to all of us and will say that YOU have a the problem! Be Alert, Be very alert..... (don't worry HH, I don't expect you to admit it, but refute away! )

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Old 05-03-07, 07:15 AM
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Let's ask the Doctor to be sure...

Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Advanced VC (AVC) - Using assertive "centerish" lane positioning to discourage lane sharing/squeezing when the lane is too narrow to be safely shared.

Originally Posted by Helmet Head
I swear we've been over this before. VC does NOT mean "taking the lane".

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To be entirely within a lane, your tire must be one foot to the left or right of the lane stripe. To be vehicular, if you're 2' wide, the only time your wheels should be within one foot of the lane stripe is when you're changing lanes. That's not a difference of a few inches, that's a difference of two feet.

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I rode in the 2' gutter adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane.

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I think more and more that "cyclist inferiority" is spot on.
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Old 05-03-07, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Do you ride in pacelines and/or tight/fast pelotons that average 20 mph over hilly terrain much, Bek?

Something tells me you don't, and if you did, most of the yelling would be directed at you.
Can't agree HH. Bek would be OTB on the first climb...
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Originally Posted by N_C
No, but if it is anything like Effective Cycling or if it only gives one sided views like EC, & is full of propaganda that you & JF like to spout off about I have no interest in it. So do tell what it is about before I waste my money on it.
It's free and online, N_C. Judge for yourself.

https://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/usa/index.htm
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Originally Posted by galen_52657
Can't agree HH. Bek would be OTB on the first climb...
Ouch, actually, that applies to me, at least lately. What saves me is being a fast descender (185 lbs), conservation of energy, knowing the route inside and out, efficiency in traffic, and being saved by red traffic lights.
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Old 05-03-07, 10:02 AM
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Galen, you've met Bek? I mean, perhaps he's fast, perhaps not, but I cannot tell, having not met him. So, you've met him and riden with him?

I don't know if he's fast, but he's strong. He bike toured from Seattle down to Portland and all around the Portland metro area, from North Portland all the way down to my haunts in Wilsonville.

Just say'n...
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Originally Posted by natelutkjohn
Let's ask the Doctor to be sure...
If you think there is a contradiction in there somewhere, you're going to have to point it out to me.

There is nothing nonvehicular in drivers of slow moving vehicles using safe and reasonable space to the right, between intersections, to allow faster traffic to pass. In some cases this can be the gutter.

This should be no surprise to anyone who understands VC.

Originally Posted by John Forester
Curb hugging, whether being done by a motorist or by a cyclist, depends so much on the particular situation. Sometimes it is appropriate, ...
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Old 05-03-07, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff
Galen, you've met Bek? I mean, perhaps he's fast, perhaps not, but I cannot tell, having not met him. So, you've met him and riden with him?

I don't know if he's fast, but he's strong. He bike toured from Seattle down to Portland and all around the Portland metro area, from North Portland all the way down to my haunts in Wilsonville.

Just say'n...
Lets not get all politically-correct-undies-in-a-wad-can't-take-a-joke on us there Brian
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Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff
Galen, you've met Bek? I mean, perhaps he's fast, perhaps not, but I cannot tell, having not met him. So, you've met him and riden with him?

I don't know if he's fast, but he's strong. He bike toured from Seattle down to Portland and all around the Portland metro area, from North Portland all the way down to my haunts in Wilsonville.

Just say'n...
I'm willing to stipulate to Galen's expert credentials concerning being dropped OTB.
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Originally Posted by galen_52657
Lets not get all politically-correct-undies-in-a-wad-can't-take-a-joke on us there Brian
This is an internet forum where sarcasm does not easily get conveyed. If you are going to make a joking/sarcastic post, make it extremely obvious that it is a joke/sarcastic otherwise we'll just end up wasting way more bandwidth than we already do. Please don't make me call you Chipcom 2.0

(yes, I know I am guilty of this too sometimes)
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If it was a joke Galen, then I appologize. But it seemed a bit malevolent and backstabby. Just say'n...
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(BTW Galen, my post was sarcastic too. Can't take what you dish?)
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Originally Posted by joejack951
This is an internet forum where sarcasm does not easily get conveyed. If you are going to make a joking/sarcastic post, make it extremely obvious that it is a joke/sarcastic otherwise we'll just end up wasting way more bandwidth than we already do. Please don't make me call you Chipcom 2.0

(yes, I know I am guilty of this too sometimes)
This is a really good point, and why I try to avoid sarcasm too (though I slip as well).

But, in this case I thought the sarcasm in Galen's comment was pretty obvious, since it was clearly about how Bek rides, and all of us regulars know they live thousands of miles apart, so it couldn't possibly be serious.

I think the sarcasm targetted at other member's positions on issues is much more problematic and subject to confusion.
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what's OTB?
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what's OTB?
Off Track Betting?
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off track biking?
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on tap beer?
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what's OTB?
When you're riding in a tight group, you save a lot of energy from the draft created by the riders in front of you. This allows cyclists with disparate abilities to ride with each other, and everyone goes considerably faster than when riding alone. The strongest riders at the front are using their extra power to push the air. But sometimes the strongest ones are so much stronger that the weaker ones cannot "hang" in the group even with the draft advantages at the back, and they fall off the back. The riders with lower power-to-weight ratios are particularly vulnerable on climbs where the relative advantages of the draft are lessened in proportion to the steepness of the climb, both in terms of gravity become more and more of a factor, and with air resistance becoming less of a factor due to slower speeds.

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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
If you think there is a contradiction in there somewhere, you're going to have to point it out to me.

There is nothing nonvehicular in drivers of slow moving vehicles using safe and reasonable space to the right, between intersections, to allow faster traffic to pass. In some cases this can be the gutter.

This should be no surprise to anyone who understands VC.
read the threads those came from for the contradictions - but that's not why I posted it, I just always though it would be funny to see you argue with yourself, lol - it's jut too easy

But to see it if you like, go to the "road margins" thread and then this comment - "adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane" inferiority abounds!
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Originally Posted by natelutkjohn
read the threads those came from for the contradictions - but that's not why I posted it, I just always though it would be funny to see you argue with yourself, lol - it's jut too easy

But to see it if you like, go to the "road margins" thread and then this comment - "adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane" inferiority abounds!
What is the "road margins" thread?
What about the comment "adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane" causes you to conclude "inferiority abounds"?
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What is the "road margins" thread?
What about the comment "adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane" causes you to conclude "inferiority abounds"?
Look it up yourself man - you started the thread (Use the search function )- I'm not here to argue about a "method" that changes as the wind changes - just here to have fun pointing out your contradictions.
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