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Old 04-30-08, 06:59 AM
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Yeah, thanks for that. That's truly the opposite of making someone welcome. You are not kind. Have a nice day.
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Old 04-30-08, 07:12 AM
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Yeah, thanks for that. That's truly the opposite of making someone welcome. You are not kind. Have a nice day.
That's OK. Sorry to shatter your illusion that "we" share your idea of what passes for liberal and progressive thought about cycling, nor share your idea of what needs to be done. I find it very hard to sing Kumbaya on my keyboard with those who assume that all progressive, liberal thinking cyclists must be in line with your Conventional Wisdom about the need for proseltizing for Styrofoam.
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Old 04-30-08, 07:17 AM
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But don't you see that this is exactly what I mentioned. Instead of embracing the ideas that you DO agree with you just hammer down the ones that you don't. What will that accomplish?
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But don't you see that this is exactly what I mentioned. Instead of embracing the ideas that you DO agree with you just hammer down the ones that you don't. What will that accomplish?
Enlighten those who make assumptions about "ideas" that "we" all agree (or should agree) on; and make faulty assumptions about what "we bicyclists" need.

You made the assumption/have an idea about a shared goal/need of "us" to get cyclists to wear helmets. I am here to inform you that such an assumption about "we" cyclists will likely cause your other ideas to be viewed with skepticism.
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We agree with you I-L-T-B, but not your tone

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Originally Posted by YULitle View Post
We have people who ride without helmets.
Haha, you said the magic "H" word. Brings him out every time!
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Old 04-30-08, 12:36 PM
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Haha, you said the magic "H" word. Brings him out every time!
Exactly. A gratuitous statement in the same post that asked: "Why pick sides if it just antagonizes an already heated debate?"
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Old 04-30-08, 12:49 PM
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We agree with you I-L-T-B, but not your tone
We do huh? Would you like the tune about what We Cyclists Need to sound like We are Family, We are the World, or are We happy enough with Kumbaya as sung by cyclists' self proclaimed spokesmen with the self proclaimed right ideas ?
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Sounds like a thinly veiled excuse to be arrogant and obnoxious to me, I'm afraid. If not that then why bother? The comments do nothing to advance the 'no helmets' cause, and if anything only reinforce notions people might hold to the effect of anti-helmet people being self-centred and somewhat irrational

I'd score the round to YULittle without a moment's hesitation.
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This reminds me of that song... One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch girl...

"We" welcome you to the board YULitle.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
We do huh? Would you like the tune about what We Cyclists Need to sound like We are Family, We are the World, or are We happy enough with Kumbaya as sung by cyclists' self proclaimed spokesmen with the self proclaimed right ideas ?

Perhaps a round or two of 'It's a Small World' would be appropriate.

Written by: Richard M. Sherman and Robert B. Sherman

It's a world of laughter
A world of tears
It's a world of hopes
And a world of fears
There's so much that we share
That it's time we're aware
It's a small world after all

There is just one moon
And one golden sun
And a smile means
Friendship to ev'ryone
Though the mountains divide
And the oceans are wide
It's a small world after all

It's a small world after all
It's a small world after all
It's a small world after all
It's a small, small world




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Old 04-30-08, 01:25 PM
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I'm glad it isn't just ILTB out here. I respect what you have to say ILTB, but you are still missing the point. And that's fine. I wasn't trying to convert no-helmet riders to helmet riders or anything. I honestly don't know enough about the issues (see status to the left <---) to make an educated comment. I just see similar division on other topics in other venues and it does more harm than good. The examples I gave were just that. If there truly is not one thing we can all agree on, then it looks like we're doomed, eh? I refuse to believe it.
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Old 04-30-08, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Catweazle View Post
The comments do nothing to advance the 'no helmets' cause, and if anything only reinforce notions people might hold to the effect of anti-helmet people being self-centred and somewhat irrational

I'd score the round to YULittle without a moment's hesitation.
Reinforce "notions" about "causes" that you assume some people hold or wish to advance? Perfect!
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Old 04-30-08, 02:19 PM
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Haha, you said the magic "H" word. Brings him out every time!
I don't know where you got your avatar from, but I've seen it on a book. Is that where you got it? To my knowledge, it may be the only book with that "I" on it's cover. So?
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Originally Posted by YULitle View Post
But don't you see that this is exactly what I mentioned. Instead of embracing the ideas that you DO agree with you just hammer down the ones that you don't. What will that accomplish?
For one thing, it slows people like you from 'doing something' about people like me who don't prefer to wear a helmet. Why do you feel the need to 'do something' concerning my riding activities, which I have been doing safely since before you were born?
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AGAIN. It was JUST an example. I'm new to these forums. I don't know squat about the prevailing trends, political posturing, or inherent dogmas about what to do and what not to do, who's on who's side, what literature each side reads and so on. NONE of that matters. What matters is that there HAS to be something that we all agree on, and focusing on what makes us different all of the time does NO GOOD for bicycling as a whole.
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What matters is that there HAS to be something that we all agree on
I'll be daring and suggest that we all agree that cycling plays some part in our lives.

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Thanks for your comments YUlitle,

I don't know why this should have received such criticism. This area of the forum is concerned with bike advocacy - something that is best achieved if a group of people can identify common themes to promote. YUlitle cited some common examples of advocacy themes without expressing bias on these themes, then receives unwelcoming comments from another forum member. I think that is unfair.

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I don't know where you got your avatar from, but I've seen it on a book. Is that where you got it? To my knowledge, it may be the only book with that "I" on it's cover. So?
It's Le Faux Miroir by Rene Magritte
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AGAIN. It was JUST an example. I'm new to these forums. I don't know squat about the prevailing trends, political posturing, or inherent dogmas about what to do and what not to do, who's on who's side, what literature each side reads and so on. NONE of that matters. What matters is that there HAS to be something that we all agree on, and focusing on what makes us different all of the time does NO GOOD for bicycling as a whole.
WTF does any of this have to do with YOUR statement that we need to 'do something' about people who don't wear helmets? I don't give a crap about "prevailing trends, political posturing, or inherent dogmas about what to do and what not to do, who's on who's side, what literature each side reads and so on", I just want to know why you want to screw with my personal choices?
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I'll be daring and suggest that we all agree that cycling plays some part in our lives.

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WTF does any of this have to do with YOUR statement that we need to 'do something' about people who don't wear helmets? I don't give a crap about "prevailing trends, political posturing, or inherent dogmas about what to do and what not to do, who's on who's side, what literature each side reads and so on", I just want to know why you want to screw with my personal choices?
Oh for goodness sakes can't you see that your and ILTB's backlash is exactly what I'm talking about? Are you even reading my posts? Let me spell it out VERY CLEARLY FOR YOU.

What I included in my original posts were EXAMPLES. I was not writing a decree for all to sign. Nor was I making some declaration of how biking aught to be. They were EXAMPLES. What I SAID was that INSTEAD of bickering about the details, we should focus on what we have IN COMMON.

Your response = The opposite of that.
Your response = Just the kind of CRAP that I was talking about.

Why don't you spare us a repeat of the last two posts, re-read what I've had to say, and then, be a sport, and offer something constructive. How about you put something on the table along the lines of what issue YOU feel we can all connect with? Cause that's the only way we will get anything done for cycling, IMO. And that's all I've been saying.
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Sorry. I lost my temper. Let's just end this. I can't believe I got drug into this. Good day.
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Oh for goodness sakes can't you see that your and ILTB's backlash is exactly what I'm talking about? Are you even reading my posts? Let me spell it out VERY CLEARLY FOR YOU.

What I included in my original posts were EXAMPLES. I was not writing a decree for all to sign. Nor was I making some declaration of how biking aught to be. They were EXAMPLES. What I SAID was that INSTEAD of bickering about the details, we should focus on what we have IN COMMON.

Your response = The opposite of that.
Your response = Just the kind of CRAP that I was talking about.

Why don't you spare us a repeat of the last two posts, re-read what I've had to say, and then, be a sport, and offer something constructive. How about you put something on the table along the lines of what issue YOU feel we can all connect with? Cause that's the only way we will get anything done for cycling, IMO. And that's all I've been saying.
IMO, agreement can be just as destructive as disagreement.

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Originally Posted by YULitle View Post
What I SAID was that INSTEAD of bickering about the details, we should focus on what we have IN COMMON.
Bickering about the details is one of the things we have in common.
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