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Old 11-15-15, 09:35 PM
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Toes

Riding for about an hour today just before sunrise I asked myself - what can I do to keep my feet warm?? Wool socks and toe covers didn't help more than 15 minutes, though things got better after daybreak.

Is it possible to wear cleats and have warm toes in around 30-40F temps, for up to a few hours? Or should I just go with platform pedals and boots for the winter? Thanks
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Old 11-15-15, 10:29 PM
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1. Full-shoe sized neoprene shoe covers:
https://www.eriksbikeshop.com/Endura...3C6304/Product


2. Clipless shoes designed to be worn in winter:
Specialized Defroster Trail


3. Heavy duty clipless shoes designed to be worn in winter (probably overkill for the temps you're looking to ride in):
45NRTH | Unparalleled Cold Weather Performance



4. Flat pedals and boots, or just less-airy shoes like the waterproof Chrome Storm Kursk:
Storm Kursk Black Sneaker | Classic Bike Sneaker | Chrome Industries

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Old 11-15-15, 10:31 PM
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Full shoe covers are definitely warmer than just toe covers. And of course, many manufacturers make insulated cycling boots that are meant for cold weather -- they are certainly a bit pricier than your average cycling shoe, but I foudn them to be well worth the money. And finally, sometimes cold extermities are a symptom of inadequately warm clothing for the rest of the body, so it is often worth experimenting with things like warmer cycling pants, etc.
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Old 11-16-15, 05:07 AM
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The Wolfgar boots look amazing - may need to pull the trigger on a pair -
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Old 11-16-15, 05:29 AM
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See my "Cold Feet" article ...

Machka - Cold Feet
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Old 11-16-15, 07:26 AM
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Unless you have poor circulation in your feet, any shoe booties should work very well. In fact it might even be too warm in that temperate range. I thought for Chicago, 30-40 F isn't considered cold.
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Old 11-16-15, 07:58 AM
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reporting a broken link

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See my "Cold Feet" article ...

Machka - Cold Feet
your about me link is broken at https://www.machka.net/aboutme/aboutme.htm
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Old 11-16-15, 08:00 AM
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your about me link is broken at https://www.machka.net/aboutme/aboutme.htm
Yes, I know. But thanks. I've dismantled much of my site and will eventually rebuild. However, the Cold Feet article should still work.
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Old 11-16-15, 08:03 AM
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Yes, I know. But thanks. I've dismantled much of my site and will eventually rebuild. However, the Cold Feet article should still work.
yes the cold feet article works !
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Old 11-16-15, 08:45 AM
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Thanks I'll habe to look into the wrist/ankle coverage, that's something I'm not taking care of by just adding gloves and shoe covers to my regular layers.

Some of the purpose built shoes look great, I'll wait to see how motivated I am to be outside in real winter. Then maybe I'll need to look into something like that.
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Old 11-16-15, 09:03 AM
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Old mom's saying: Cold feet, put on a hat.

In other words, cold feet may be symptom of not wearing enough clothes on rest of body and on head. Maybe. (moms say lots of stuff).
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Old 11-16-15, 09:20 AM
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I prefer SPD clips, so I've tried to make them work for winter.

Last year, I wore wool socks and full covers over my MTB shoes. The shoe covers were the weak part; whenever I tried to walk in them, they'd come loose over my toes and let the cold/wet in.

This year, I found a used pair of SiDi Diablo GTX boots, which should stay warm without shoe covers.

But, even if my feet stay warm, I've had problems with the SPD cleats getting iced over with slush and becoming un-usable.

On wet, snowy days (and days that are too cold for the SiDi boots), I'll use platform pedals and winter combat boots.
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Old 11-16-15, 11:44 AM
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I have a fine set of winter neopreme booties which are generally quite warm. Where they and other over boots fail is on the interface between cleats and shoe sole which remains uninsulated. The solution is not necessarily bigger and burlier boots or thicker booties. It seems to me the solution is to insulate the sole of the shoe. I've added small patches of Windblok fleece to the toe area with some success for temperatures of low 30s F to mid 20s F.

I happen to have a set of insulated footbeds that are used with winter hiking boots and have proven their worth in below zero F week-end camping trips in New Hampshire. This year I will try them out in the cycling shoes but no reports as temps are not yet very cold. A Google search shows that Sole company https://secure.yoursole.com/us/mens/...nsulated-ultra now has and insulated foot bed that winter cyclists should look into as I will myself next time at REI.
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Old 11-16-15, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Tim_Iowa View Post
But, even if my feet stay warm, I've had problems with the SPD cleats getting iced over with slush and becoming un-usable.

On wet, snowy days (and days that are too cold for the SiDi boots), I'll use platform pedals and winter combat boots.
No doubt that regular boots are going to avoid that situation the best.

However, there are other clipless systems that handle water and ice better than SPD's do. Both Time Atac's and Crankbrother's pedals have a better design for not getting gunked up with snow, ice, etc.
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Old 11-16-15, 09:13 PM
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Well for me over the years it comes down to a few things. I wear the same clipless shoes year round. If temps are in the 40s normally just adding medium weight wool socks is enough. In the 30s I'll add neoprene booties and heavier wool socks. Then with the 20s and below I go with and additional chemical toe warmer heat pack on top of my toes and foot. This along with keeping the ankles protected has proven to serve me well for miles and miles of winter riding with temps well below 0. When I'm using my thickest socks I have to remove the insole from my shoes so things will fit but to date that has never caused any discomfort or problems for me.
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No doubt that regular boots are going to avoid that situation the best.

However, there are other clipless systems that handle water and ice better than SPD's do. Both Time Atac's and Crankbrother's pedals have a better design for not getting gunked up with snow, ice, etc.
I've never had an issue with that with my look pedals but I do use a bike with fenders when things are cold and wet. Now ending a ride with only 1 gear due to a cassette frozen up is a different story, LOL!
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I have vents in the bottom of the road shoe. I tape them up to help but I was wondering if anyone goes so far as to replace the insole with one that lacks venting holes to further hold the heat in?
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Old 11-17-15, 03:43 PM
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A few questions for my BF friends ...

I use an SPD setup during the summer but I switch to flat pedals and really clunky (like Sorels) boots in the cold weather. The boots are okay. They're really warm but, well, I prefer to remain clipless year-round if I can find something warm enough.

I used to have neoprene booties but they only helped a little with warmth and getting them on an off was a pain. I think the problem was cold coming up through the sole of the shoe. I suppose I could try booties again with some type of Thinsulate insert but I'm concerned I'd just be wasting my money.

Other BF threads have talked about LL Bean's Snow Sneakers. The low ones would be way less clunky than my boots. They're rated from 40 degrees F down to around 5. Of course, doing this still means flat pedals.

Any opinions on whether to give the booties another try or go for the Snow Sneakers? Of course, another possibility would be to go for larger SPD shoes so that I could wear more sock layers.

Thoughts?
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I guess, I have similar questions and wonder how many days I will actually have that are cold enough to need to use a warmer boot. Could I get away with some chemical toe warmers and neoprene booties for most of the days? If so would a snow boots day be fixed by having a set of these on hand? Fly Pedals - Universal Clipless Pedal Adapter
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I live on the North Shore of Chicago and switch to platforms and boots when it gets below freezing. I tried different ways of keeping my feet warm with clipless but have decided that it's just easier to keep my feet warm with regular boots when there's ice on the ground. Above freezing I use diadora polaris 2's. They're nothing special, but they keep my feet warm in the 30's & 40's. I'm sure any cold weather shoe would work in that range. I have also used the gore thermo covers successfully in that range.
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Originally Posted by Fly2High View Post
I have vents in the bottom of the road shoe. I tape them up to help but I was wondering if anyone goes so far as to replace the insole with one that lacks venting holes to further hold the heat in?
I just tape over the vents on both the outside and the inside of my shoes during the winter.
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Flat pedals with toe clips is easy to try...
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I was wondering if anyone has tried the Specialized Defroster Trail clipless shoes?
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Originally Posted by berner View Post
Where they and other over boots fail is on the interface between cleats and shoe sole which remains uninsulated. The solution is not necessarily bigger and burlier boots or thicker booties. It seems to me the solution is to insulate the sole of the shoe.
Berner is onto something here. I picked up a pair of the 45Nrth Wolvhammers and rode them through two winters, but still they don't prevent the frozen toe experience completely in the single digits Fahrenheit, even with good thick wool socks. (Otherwise, they are nice and toasty, but heavy as all get out).

Last year, I ended up taking off the SPD cleats and using them with plastic platforms for my winter centuries. That helped tremendously. The metal cleat connected to a metal pedal is a heat sink; there's no way around it, though there may be ways to slow the heat transfer.

The last month or so I got a fixie and have been riding around with Thermalite flat pedals and straps. I've been wearing a pair of chukka boots with them, and cold has not been an issue so far (down to low 20's high teens). Will see how long this lasts.

Chemical warmers are another option.
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Old 11-18-15, 11:32 AM
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Yeah, I've used chemical warmers in very cold temps and they work fine. When temps here begin getting down to the freezing mark, I carry a package of them on longer rides just in case.
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