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My fatbike needs more studs ... the one on the bike isn't enough

Old 01-25-17, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
can't tell why you went down. you didn't break through any ice did you? were the tires 1 lb too low & just squishy enough to be unstable?
There was a nice patch of ice under the fresh snow and it was a narrow patch between the creek (see the screenshot) and reeds. It should have been ridable, but the rear started into the creek and that's all she wrote. Just happy to keep my feet dry

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Thinking about it a little more (& watching the video again), the studded front tire may have saved me from a cold bath. The rear loses grip and slides toward the creek but the front stay on track. I'm not sure, honestly, this happened fast and I was shocked. I'd been riding along the creek for half a mile and the conditions were the same the whole way so I'm a little unsure why that patch of ice took me down....

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to a cowboy: "is that an Eastern thing" hahaha

so those are the studded fatbike tires? maybe the snow was just the right consistancy to fill the block voids & temporarily turn it into a slick
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Yes, very studded tires, and well tested on bare-ice. I think you've hit part of the equation for this 'perfect storm' - snow keeping the studded from getting a solid grip on the ice. And Minneapolis is VERY icy right now, we had a week-long thaw with temps just above freezing (but very little sun). So when the temps dipped to the mid-20s today, we got some nice skating rinks here, there, and everywhere... and a couple inches of fresh snow, and it's a party!
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Originally Posted by Hypno Toad
and it's a party!
good thing you have cat-like reflexes
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It's about time! (I kid, I kid)

I've only gotten 1 ride on the Snowshoes and they are great. My wife was chicken and very slow so I can't talk about how they would perform at anything over 10 mph. We rode before the snow melt and there was a lot of unpacked snow on top of the ice that was packed on before. So it was a tough ride as the only people that get on our trails out where we live is us and an occasional snow mobile or 4 wheeler. The only place we couldn't ride was where there was a snow drift about 3' deep. We had to push through that, but that was to be expected. It was great fun. We'll be back out this weekend.
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Originally Posted by Hypno Toad
Thinking about it a little more (& watching the video again), the studded front tire may have saved me from a cold bath. The rear loses grip and slides toward the creek but the front stay on track. I'm not sure, honestly, this happened fast and I was shocked. I'd been riding along the creek for half a mile and the conditions were the same the whole way so I'm a little unsure why that patch of ice took me down....

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I'm not surprised. I'm surprised you didn't spill earlier, actually. Off-camber ice will steal your rear wheel's traction almost every time. It seems like you finally hit a patch with a steep enough angle to wash out your rear wheel.

My Dillinger 5's are great in a straight line, but curved icy ruts (like on re-frozen singletrack) or non-level ice (like on a stream bank) will spill me, sometimes even if I go very slow and careful.

For example, I attempted the Triple D winter endurance race a couple weeks ago in Dubuque, IA. The first several miles is on snowmobile trails in a creek bed, and there was solid ice in any shady spot.
Even with my tires at 5 psi, I fell about 8 times in that first section (never seriously). A couple of the farm roads were like bobsled flumes!
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Originally Posted by Tim_Iowa
I'm not surprised. I'm surprised you didn't spill earlier, actually. Off-camber ice will steal your rear wheel's traction almost every time. It seems like you finally hit a patch with a steep enough angle to wash out your rear wheel.
I think a little bit of my issue was getting over-confident. Riding those conditions for .5 mile here and .75 mile earlier on this ride... this fall is in the last few hundred yards; I was like "I got this!" and the ice was like "NOPE!"
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Originally Posted by Hypno Toad
I think a little bit of my issue was getting over-confident. Riding those conditions for .5 mile here and .75 mile earlier on this ride... this fall is in the last few hundred yards; I was like "I got this!" and the ice was like "NOPE!"


Ice is a great humbler

Especially when you're riding along fine, and then try to put your foot down when you stop. Unless you studded your boots, too, their soles won't have traction like your studded tires.

I've seen people screw grip studs into their boot soles. At Triple D, someone had a box of 1/2" screws with a big hex head on them, and offered them for self-studding your boots.
Like these:

I really wish I had taken him up on the offer! My SiDi boots have a hard plastic sole like a baseball cleat (as do many MTB soles). I can't wait for my Lake 303 boots to show up! And I should grab a handful of grip studs.
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Grip studs were sold out at my LBS, so I sprung for one Dillinger 4 for the front tire earlier this month. My ride yesterday wasn't near as challenging as HypnoToad's. I had a very pleasurable 5 mile breakfast ride in the middle of the early morning snow storm though. It wasn't too cold (around 30F and not a lot of wind) so the snow storm was just pretty.

Early enough and on less traveled roads, so no real ruts yet. Glad to finally have studs on the fat tire bike (previous winter ride had 700x42 studded) however. I still may grip stud the rear Nate on my bike.

Due to availability issues and a financial windfall, I ended up with the higher TPI versions for both tires. Hard to say if I'm not just saying this because of the cost, but the bike does seem to ride nice with the new tire set.

Ice ruts suck. Fat tires make them suck a little less. I like the wider, mountain style handlebars on a winter bike because I feel my old, out of shape, self can leverage the front tire better in those ruts.
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Originally Posted by Tim_Iowa


Ice is a great humbler

Especially when you're riding along fine, and then try to put your foot down when you stop. Unless you studded your boots, too, their soles won't have traction like your studded tires.

I've seen people screw grip studs into their boot soles. At Triple D, someone had a box of 1/2" screws with a big hex head on them, and offered them for self-studding your boots.
Like these:

I really wish I had taken him up on the offer! My SiDi boots have a hard plastic sole like a baseball cleat (as do many MTB soles). I can't wait for my Lake 303 boots to show up! And I should grab a handful of grip studs.
Not a bad idea - I've been in enough situations where the boots can't get grip and that's no fun at all. However, in the video from yesterday, I was screwed (see what I did there ) I was falling to my left and the creek gave me no place the left to put a foot down ... so I went down. Still not sure how I stayed dry, must be dumb luck.
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