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Old 11-20-17, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FrozenK View Post
But yes, keeping a bottle upside down will help with frost forming on the mouthpiece. I guess it'd be harder to do with a regular bottle cage.
There are some provisos to worry about using this method.

One, it may not work as well as you'd want it too. The bottle will freeze from the outside in. The mouth piece may still freeze shut.

Two, carrying a bottle upside down is could be problematic with a snap on cap. Pulling it out of the cage could catch the cap and pull it off. I suspect that a cold ride would get colder if you are drenched in water

Three, you could turn the cage upside down to avoid catching the lid but that make access harder and the bottle would be rather prone to being ejected.

A Camelbak has lots of advantages over a plain water bottle. I just wish that they make winter packs for cyclists. This one is close but it's missing some features.

A couple of years ago, I found this insulation sleeve for my Camelbak Blowfish. It works really well down to about 10F. It works better if you blow the water back into the pack and/or drink more often.
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You can buy it online. I get mine at my local running store as I want to support an independent merchant.
If only a tailwind was this easy to buy.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind given those requirements is insulate the bottle holder instead of the bottle.
Now that's a good thought! I see a DIY project...
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Now that's a good thought! I see a DIY project...
I think one of the barmitt companies makes such a thing. could probably hack one of your own. if so please show how you did it!

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Originally Posted by wipekitty View Post
Now that's a good thought! I see a DIY project...
Don't look at me, my bottles freeze once every 5 or 6 years so I couldn't even test it out.
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If only a tailwind was this easy to buy.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
Interesting. The first thing that comes to mind given those requirements is insulate the bottle holder instead of the bottle.
No need. Camelbak makes some nice insulated bottles that are good for hours if filled hot.
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Keep your second bottle in your middle jersey pocket, under your jacket.

+1 on upside down bottles
+1 on Gatorade, etc as anti-freeze
+1 on insulated bottles
+1 on starting with hot water
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Good answers so far. Just throwing out there that sunlight will affect things too. If it's a sunny 20 degrees freezing will take longer than a cloudy day at the same temperature. I don't think anyone mentioned that.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
I think one of the barmitt companies makes such a thing. could probably hack one of your own. if so please show how you did it!

Ah, nice. I found those online...$30?!

I was originally thinking of making something out of old wool socks, but Neoprene (like the one pictured) is a good idea. I bet I could easily cut and sew one of those cheap $4 neoprene laptop cases from Amazon...
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Originally Posted by wipekitty View Post
Ah, nice. I found those online...$30?!

I was originally thinking of making something out of old wool socks, but Neoprene (like the one pictured) is a good idea. I bet I could easily cut and sew one of those cheap $4 neoprene laptop cases from Amazon...
There is another advantage to that, which you might not think about at first. I have some fabric surrounding my own cages, not for insulation but just to hold stuff when I'm not carrying water! Keys, beanie, rain jacket, whatever, even a phone, and nothing has ever bounced out.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
There are some provisos to worry about using this method.

One, it may not work as well as you'd want it too. The bottle will freeze from the outside in. The mouth piece may still freeze shut.

Two, carrying a bottle upside down is could be problematic with a snap on cap. Pulling it out of the cage could catch the cap and pull it off. I suspect that a cold ride would get colder if you are drenched in water

Three, you could turn the cage upside down to avoid catching the lid but that make access harder and the bottle would be rather prone to being ejected.

A Camelbak has lots of advantages over a plain water bottle. I just wish that they make winter packs for cyclists. This one is close but it's missing some features.

A couple of years ago, I found this insulation sleeve for my Camelbak Blowfish. It works really well down to about 10F. It works better if you blow the water back into the pack and/or drink more often.
I don't use cages in the winter. I put the bottles most often inside the frame bag. I mostly rely on bottles for rides under two hours. The upside down trick has worked/helped so far.

Camelbaks are nice until the hose freezes. The best option is to get a small camelback pack (or the Revelate Wampak) and keep it under your jacket as close to the base layer as you can. You will usually have to route the hose over the shoulder. Blowing back will help a lot. But you will still run into hose freezing issues. Not all the time, but it will happen.
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Originally Posted by FrozenK View Post
I don't use cages in the winter. I put the bottles most often inside the frame bag. I mostly rely on bottles for rides under two hours. The upside down trick has worked/helped so far.
Most people are going to put their water where they can get to it rather easily. Putting it in a frame pack seems to be the very opposite.

I'm also somewhat confused about how the "upside down trick" in a frame pack. Frame packs I've owned wouldn't allow for the bottle to be kept in any kind of orientation. The bottle would just bounce around in the bag.

Originally Posted by FrozenK View Post
Camelbaks are nice until the hose freezes. The best option is to get a small camelback pack (or the Revelate Wampak) and keep it under your jacket as close to the base layer as you can. You will usually have to route the hose over the shoulder. Blowing back will help a lot. But you will still run into hose freezing issues. Not all the time, but it will happen.
Camelbak hoses can freeze but if you insulate them by using the Camelbak winter kit, that buys you quite a bit of time. Adding the sleeve that I linked to above helps as well. It does a better job then Camelbak's valve insulations.

Drinking regularly helps keep the ice down as well.
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found pics of frozen water bottles. from 1/23/16




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additional info - NOT 27 degrees
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At what temp does a water bottle freeze up?
Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
was wondering the other night, riding in 30 degrees, at what temp will a regular water bottle freeze up after only 30 minutes of riding? I'm guessing 17 degrees
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Speaking of winter I have on a few posts repeated the suggestion of the definition of a cold ride as one where the water bottle freezes solid, as a function of temperature and time. For my 14 mile commute of slightly over an hour that occurs at about 15 F.
Note that the frozen bottle contains carbonated water, which probably depresses the freezing point, but I think the situation is still a good definition of a cold ride.
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In 20 below, I had to take little sips every 5 minutes to keep it drinkable for a while, it eventually froze up cuz I didn't do it frequently enough
Not backwashing enough?
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