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Portis 12-14-06 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by ViperZ
Are you in the right thread?

Nope. Sorry.

jaysea 12-14-06 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by ViperZ
Yes, I prefer the -45C cold we get here in Saskatchewan, it's cold, but it's a dry cold :D

nice picture...

today it's +10C with 80% humidity in Montreal.... (12 to 15 degrees above max average...) we are supposedly breaking a 30 year old record as i write this... it's the warmest december 14 since 1941.

ViperZ 12-14-06 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by jaysea
nice picture...

today it's +10C with 80% humidity in Montreal.... (12 to 15 degrees above max average...) we are supposedly breaking a 30 year old record as i write this... it's the warmest december 14 since 1941.


Thanks, it was actually only -32C when I took that picture. Following is the complete set. It has been warm here too. Normally we get a few weeks in January & February of bleow -40C for weeks on end. Last year I think we dipped in to -36C for 1 or 2 days only, other than that, it was a mild winter for us too.


http://www.sasktelwebsite.net/fung1/winter04a.jpg

http://www.sasktelwebsite.net/fung1/bess.jpg

http://www.sasktelwebsite.net/fung1/stjohn.jpg

jaysea 12-14-06 02:00 PM

[QUOTE=ViperZ]Thanks, it was actually only -32C when I took that picture. QUOTE]

does the river ever freeze?

Gojohnnygo. 12-14-06 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by jaysea
sigh
its so warm up here this year... this thread makes me realize that i'm _seriously_ missing the snow and cold. after 5 years of winter commuting, i think i even like the darkness.... i cant wait to commute in snow. i miss the unique "city silence", especially when big flakes fall...

big snowflakes... any kind of snowflakes...sigh...

damn local global warming. what's the job market like in Anchorage?

the coldest ride thread also bugs me this year, because i'm just plain jealous...


Plus 1

ViperZ 12-14-06 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by jaysea
does the river ever freeze?

Not completely... The west side always remains open due to the warmer water being released from the Queen Elizabeth Power station. I have seen years were it was almost frozen over, there was just a sliver of open water.

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/3431/defride7rf5.jpg
Here I'm up river about 4 Km on east side of the river. You can see the Power station.

jaysea 12-15-06 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by Gojohnnygo.
Plus 1

i would totally agree with your "Plus 1" IF my post about the fact that i like to bike in winter wasnt done in a forum called "winter biking". :) if people here dont agree with this, the're what? car owner wannabees? masochists? Machka escaped a psychiatric hospital???

so based on this logic, i'm a +0 or just a 0 if you wish but you are "Minus 1".

that being said, i've been commuting ~6000km a year on the same 12.85km of road for 6 years (to work), so any kind of change is also welcomed (that includes winter and less smog).

and dont worry, in february, i'll be impatient to be in summer again...

and while i'm at it, thank you all for posting to to the cold ride threads, it sure convinced me that it's never too cold to ride... (especially a guy from Anchorage (years ago)).

cheers,
jaysee

jaysea 12-15-06 11:57 AM

montreal "non-winter-like wheater" update:

today, it's +12C degres (another record) and we have thunderstorm (with _lightning_ (!), rain and winds up to 60 kmh...).

??!!

Gojohnnygo. 12-15-06 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by jaysea
montreal "non-winter-like wheater" update:

today, it's +12C degres (another record) and we have thunderstorm (with _lightning_ (!), rain and winds up to 60 kmh...).

??!!

Just 60 miles south of you. We had hard rain but no thunderstoms.

Gojohnnygo. 12-15-06 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by jakub.ner
Every year I find a sticky on the coldest ride etc. etc..

Personally I don't find cold to be that much of a deterrant or threat. The coldest I've ridden in is -25C or perhaps -30C: perhaps that's not cold enough. But that is by far much much easier than riding on a day from anywhere between +5C to 0C after a really heavy snowfall. You cannot get anywhere in melting snow. The front tire digs in. The rear tire slips no matter what tread.

I'm talking about stuff that has been packed down in parks by peds. When it's hard and the temperature is frigid this stuff is bumpy but you can ride it fast. When it starts melting you're pushing. And I mean fairly wide tires (26" Hakkas) on OK rims with low pressure.

Is the cold really a good metric of your perserverence? I'd argue the much less glamorous dirty melting deep snow is.


Riding refozen slope is very hard. I take it as one of the top winter issues winter cyclist have. like you said the cold is not as bad as most say.

balto charlie 12-15-06 02:23 PM

I would trade our recent 'pea soup fog' for some of your serious cold weather. It's freaky riding in a thick mist AM and PM. Looks sunny right now but when I pedal home tonight the fog WILL be back. Global warming just ain't good.

ViperZ 12-16-06 07:59 AM

Chinook like weather here yesterday +3C, what a mess!

I long for the -27C stuff, where the road is nice and packed, and dry compared to the wet slop.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8505/winride2it5.jpg

BenyBen 12-16-06 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by jaysea
That being said, i've been commuting ~6000km a year on the same 12.85km of road for 6 years (to work), so any kind of change is also welcomed (that includes winter and less smog).


Hey Jaysea, It's funny cuz this is exactly what I've been doing, about 12km round trip for more or less 6-8k per year. Only been 4 years though..


Like you, I was freaked out by that thunderstorm in the middle of december... A couple weeks ago I put on my studded tires after 3 days of temps under -5C, thinking that was it and we were gonna get winter, now I regret it.

What part of montreal are you in?

Ernesto Schwein 12-16-06 05:48 PM

reality check (cheque?)
 
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Just out of curiousity (and mid-december boredom) I ran numbers for some of the colder locations I could think of, these are the average highs and lows for each month of the year and then the yearly average as well as the record low for each month and the absolute all time low. All the data was from either the National Weather Service or Environment Canada, and in this table they are all in Centigrade.

Attachment 32249

The coldest temperature ever officially recorded in the United States was -79.8 degrees Fahrenheit - rounded off to minus 80 degrees - observed at Prospect Creek Camp in the Endicott Mountains of northern Alaska on Jan. 23, 1971. This is not the North American low record. The North American low of -81.4 degrees F. was recorded at Snag in Canada's Yukon Territory, on Feb. 3, 1947.

The lowest ever recorded in the contiguous 48 States, was -69.7 degrees - rounded off to minus 70 degrees - at Rogers Pass, in Lewis and Clark County, Mont., on Jan. 20, 1954. Rogers Pass is on State Highway 200 about 40 miles northwest of Helena.

The coldest temperature ever recorded east of the Mississippi River was -55 degrees Fahrenheit in Couderay, Wisconsin, on Feb. 4, 1996.

ViperZ 12-16-06 06:40 PM

Cool List, You can Add Saskatoon as well :)

Temperature: Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Year

Daily Maximum (°C) -12.3 -8.6 -1.8 10 18.4 23 25.4 24.5 17.7 11.1 -1.3 -9.8 8
Daily Minimum (°C) -22.9 -19.4 -12.3 -2.2 4.5 9.4 11.7 10.3 4.6 -1.5 -10.8 -19.8 -4
Extreme Minimum (°C) -48.9 -50 -43.3 -28.3 -12.8 -3.3 -0.6 -2.8 -11.1 -25.6 -39.4 -43.9

Ernesto Schwein 12-16-06 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by ViperZ
Cool List, You can Add Saskatoon as well :)

Temperature: Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Year

Daily Maximum (°C) -12.3 -8.6 -1.8 10 18.4 23 25.4 24.5 17.7 11.1 -1.3 -9.8 8
Daily Minimum (°C) -22.9 -19.4 -12.3 -2.2 4.5 9.4 11.7 10.3 4.6 -1.5 -10.8 -19.8 -4
Extreme Minimum (°C) -48.9 -50 -43.3 -28.3 -12.8 -3.3 -0.6 -2.8 -11.1 -25.6 -39.4 -43.9


. . .and wind-chill isn't included. But I suspect that when it gets around ambient -30C and lower wind is unusual , temperatures like that usually indicate a really stubborn high pressure air mass.

ViperZ 12-16-06 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Ernesto Schwein
. . .and wind-chill isn't included. But I suspect that when it gets around ambient -30C and lower wind is unusual , temperatures like that usually indicate a really stubborn high pressure air mass.

Boy do you have that right, we usually get very high winds as well, that can make it very cold even if it's only -20C out.

jaypee 12-17-06 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by jakub.ner
I am super impressed with people who--for pure pleasure--go out on their bike and ride; but I was thinking more of my commute. I.e. before going out, if it's cold out, no matter how cold, it will not change my route nor the time it takes me to get where I'm going. Not so with wet snow. I also tried to explain I'm not talking about powder that is melting, but the packed stuff people walked on after a big snow fall: the stuff that when it's frozen rock solid, even though it is bumpy, makes for a fast ride.

Learning how to dress is the most important part. I will admit that after a while, I started going out in extremely cold conditions because it became a sort of game to me. What's the lowest temperature I can deal with? How cold -is- it when I ride across the lake? How far below 0 degrees F. -can- I go?

I started riding in cold conditions because I used to get picked on whilst riding the bus to school. I decided that I was going to avoid the situation entirely and would ride my bike to school, year 'round. My mom was cool with this, I learned how to dress, and was eventually riding 10+ miles, 'round trip, year 'round, on my BMX bike.

It's not that hard, riding in extremely cold temps. Learn your comfort range, learn your clothing, you'll be fine. My biggest tip is this;

Wind is a killer. Block the wind and you can be fine with -very- few layers. My Pearl Izumi Instinct jacket is the absolute -most- important piece of my riding gear. It blocks the wind and allows me to ride with three layers underneath it down to -30 degrees F. No lie.

Find good gloves, tights, pants, and a mask and you're golden.

jaysea 12-18-06 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by BenyBen
What part of montreal are you in?

i live in rosemont (just east of the so called "plateau") and work in saint-laurent (40/decarie).


Originally Posted by ViperZ
...

humm. the snow in all pictures from saskatoon is beautiful:) "Cold and dry weather" indeed...

speaking of snow, here is link to a map with the current snow accumulations...
http://www.meteo.ec.gc.ca/data/analysis/352_100.gif

ViperZ 12-19-06 12:24 AM


Originally Posted by jaysea
humm. the snow in all pictures from saskatoon is beautiful:) "Cold and dry weather" indeed...

speaking of snow, here is link to a map with the current snow accumulations...
http://www.meteo.ec.gc.ca/data/analysis/352_100.gif

Thanks Jaysea :beer:

G. Bucci 12-24-06 09:07 AM

You know some people use that line as a joke but it is true. I would rather ride in -25C and little humidity than -10C and high humidity. I find it easier to dress in cold dry weather too.

Anyone else share the opinion

Stay upright

Winnipeg, Canada

calbars 01-15-07 01:14 AM


Originally Posted by jaysea
i live in rosemont (just east of the so called "plateau") and work in saint-laurent (40/decarie).

Hey, I live in Rosemont and do a 13 KM commute to work (St-Jacques, west of Marché Atwater)...

This is my 4th year doing this commute. And my first winter (if we can call it that) .

Enjoy tomorrow's ride: 15cm of snow! And then -24C on Wednesday night (I leave work at 10PM).

Tomorrow's gonna be my first outing in fresh snow. Time to see how my Schwalbe will behave.

jaysea 01-15-07 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by calbars
Hey, I live in Rosemont and do a 13 KM commute to work (St-Jacques, west of Marché Atwater)...
Tomorrow's gonna be my first outing in fresh snow. Time to see how my Schwalbe will behave.

hello neighbor!

i've been commuting year round for 5 years, i guess we must have seen at least once?

hehe, that was a nice ride indeed. but the snow had just started... tonight will be fun though! so this will be your first outing in real snow? you'll see that its a pretty good exercise... you migth ask yourself "what i'm i doing here", but with time, you'll get addicted...

just curious, do you go through old montreal/downtown?

cheers

calbars 01-15-07 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by jaysea

just curious, do you go through old montreal/downtown?

cheers


Yes. I ride south (De Lorimier, Marie-Anne, Parc Lafontaine, Amhearst) 'till I reach the Old Port and then west via Canal Lachine.

The snow is finally here. Let see if I regret my decision...

jaysea 01-15-07 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by calbars
The snow is finally here. Let see if I regret my decision...

humm. finally. winter arrived! :)

and, well, give yourself a couple tries before judging anything... today is NOT easy since it just keeps snowing hard... the "hard packed snow" (by cars) is quite slippery (more than ice (with studded tires)). (last forecast is for 15-25 cm http://www.meteo.ec.gc.ca/warnings/report_e.html?qc67 all falling during work hours). and there's wind up to 55kmh...

i mean, once everything is plowed and what's left freezes in place (tomorrow) it will be _a_lot_ easier...

have fun!


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