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Old 12-03-09, 02:15 PM
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Last winter, it was above freezing for like 5 days in a row, even at night. All the snow was gone, just a few puddles. So I ride to work on my road bike with commuter tires one morning. It was glorious to be off the studs, until I found the very last patch of ice in the county. I went down hard, and broke my thumb on top of road rash.

What I thought was just a shallow puddle turned out to be a slightly deeper puddle that had accumulated because some un melted ice underneath prevented drainage. I realized what was up as soon as I entered the puddle, and had only about 2 feet to go to dry pavement when I crashed. Dark. Pain. Lying in a ice water puddle. Now I use Nokian A10's for those supposedly ice free days, and don't put on the regular tires until spring. A seperate bike has Nokian 240's for the nastier winter days.
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Old 12-04-09, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Llamero View Post
I've been using Nokian Mount & Ground for two winters and they've been absolutely great. The first 1/2 mile of the commute is on pavement (on a good day) and the rest is on a poorly plowed sidewalk that is either covered in ice, snow, or both (last year it was covered in a thick layer of rough ice all winter):



In these two years, I've never slid on ice, and only had the rear tire start to spin on steep climbs if I pedaled hard. I still have all my carbide studs on all four tires (two for me, two for my wife) and they're still all sharp as heck. The other thing I love about studded snow tires, is that their tread design is much better at both gaining traction in deeps wet snow, and keeping the snow from balling up in the treads.
I have to agree completely. In the Denver suburbs our neighborhoods are rarely plowed so you run into a lot of rutting and slushly conditions. I actually look for the smooth ice running my Mount & Grounds because it is so much easier to navigate.

I'm in the dedicated-winter-bike category, run a simple SS rigid MTB. Because we get nice warm streches through the winter I switch back and forth between my summer bike (Surly LHT) and the 'ice bike.'

Studded tires are cheaper than the ER, I know, I've done both...
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Old 12-04-09, 09:09 AM
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There are many ways that work. I leave the studded tires on one bike and just switch bikes.
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Old 12-05-09, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Llamero View Post
Oh, and one other point, Nokian actually recommends riding the tires on pavement for 30 miles before using them as winter tires. I think this is supposed to help expose the carbide steel and make the studs nice and sharp. So, if anything pavement riding improves the condition of the studs, as long as you're using good quality tires.
All studded tires want you to do this. I helps to seat the studs before you start putting weird stresses on the studs.
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Old 12-05-09, 05:24 PM
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I'm in Lincoln, NE. I bought a second wheelset, second of the exact same cassette, and I switch wheels on the slick days. I probably run studs about one in four days during the winter.

It's an expensive solution, but it's nice. Especially since my studded tires suck so badly.
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Old 12-05-09, 05:36 PM
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I've had a chance to use my studs recently and I love em. I am still a little nervous descending hills on asphalt though. I won't let myself pick up too much speed, probably wise.
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My method is to use 2 bikes. Unfortunately, there is always a day when it is nice, warm, sunny and I think "Gee... I can use my non-studded bike." I head out, travel 5 miles on bare pavement, then run into one stretch of ice.... and down I go.

Maybe the best strategy is to have one bike, puts my Hakkas on it and live with it till the Spring.
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Originally Posted by gerv View Post
My method is to use 2 bikes. Unfortunately, there is always a day when it is nice, warm, sunny and I think "Gee... I can use my non-studded bike." I head out, travel 5 miles on bare pavement, then run into one stretch of ice.... and down I go.

Maybe the best strategy is to have one bike, puts my Hakkas on it and live with it till the Spring.
My thoughts exactly. I don't necessarily like having the Hakkas on all the time, but when I hit a patch of black ice, I love 'em. This is my third year on Nokians. I used to have a "winter specific" beater with 26" wheels and Nashbar studs, but I bit the bullet and tooled up my (more comfortable) 29er with Nokians for winter and never looked back.
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Old 12-14-09, 09:14 AM
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I have 2 questions:

1. What's a good do-it-all studded tire? I want to put a set on my cross bike to do short road rides through the winter, but would also like to take it out on forest roads and maybe for a little trail riding. I have a set of Schwalbes on my Dahon and they are nice, but some of the Nokians or the Kendas look like they may be better for the light off-road riding that I hope to do.

2. How are the innovas as tires? I know that they won't last as long, etc., but how do they perform?

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My thoughts exactly. I don't necessarily like having the Hakkas on all the time, but when I hit a patch of black ice, I love 'em. This is my third year on Nokians. I used to have a "winter specific" beater with 26" wheels and Nashbar studs, but I bit the bullet and tooled up my (more comfortable) 29er with Nokians for winter and never looked back.
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Old 12-14-09, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by kesroberts View Post
I have 2 questions:

1. What's a good do-it-all studded tire? I want to put a set on my cross bike to do short road rides through the winter, but would also like to take it out on forest roads and maybe for a little trail riding. I have a set of Schwalbes on my Dahon and they are nice, but some of the Nokians or the Kendas look like they may be better for the light off-road riding that I hope to do.

2. How are the innovas as tires? I know that they won't last as long, etc., but how do they perform?

THANKS!
For questions 1. The Nokia W106's should fit a cross bike no problem, and has significantly more tread depth than the schwalbes. I've read various reviews that state that the Schwalbes are lower rolling resistance, but at the cost of snow traction. Its all a trade-off. Since you want to go off-road, the Nokias sound like the best solution for you.

For question 2. Personally I've had terrible results with the "cheap" Innova steel studded tires. My 1st tire blew a bead after about 1 month of use. It would have been covered under warrentee, but between back order and west coast to east coast shipping I would have been without a tire for at least 3 weeks. During December into January I MUST have snow tires. I ordered one Nokia W106 from Peter White and shockingly UPS ground shipping from NH to NY is frequently next day delivery! So one day later I have my Nokia tire on the front. The tread looked just about near identical. From 3 feet away I could not tell the difference. A few weeks later I shiped out hard because the steel studs had compeletely worn down. After nearly wrecking my shoulder and elbo in that crash I ordered a 2nd Nokia tire from Peter. I am now entering my 3rd Winter on the Nokians , and the studs look as good as the day I got them. You can see a little bit of wear on the tread, but I don't see any problems getting an other 2 to 3 winters out of these tires.
So do the math. Innova tires cost $70, but one failed in a month, and the other was useless after 2 months. The Nokias cost me $110, but I'll get at at least 4, and maybe even 6 full Winters worth of riding... clearly the Nokias are a much better value. Sure you can get a kit for $15 to replace the studs on the Innovas, but what go through that trouble, they they just can't match the qaulity of the Nokia (or Schwalbes).

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Old 12-14-09, 01:03 PM
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I bought Continental Spike Claw 240 last year but didn't have a chance to try them. Maybe this Winter. I didn't know much about studded tires then so I think these have steel spikes, not carbide. I'll build a new wheelset this week to. Yeah, it's expensive to do that and... I bet I won't even use them again

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Originally Posted by AdamDZ View Post
I bought Continental Spike Claw 240 last year but didn't have a chance to try them. Maybe this Winter. I didn't know much about studded tires then so I think these have steel spikes, not carbide. I'll build a new wheelset this week to. Yeah, it's expensive to do that and... I bet I won't even use them again

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I'm no expert but I bet those Continental's are carbide tipped.
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Continental website says the studs are made of "hardened steel", I don't know what exactly they mean by that. I emailed them to find out

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Continental website says the studs are made of "hardened steel", I don't know what exactly they mean by that. I emailed them to find out

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I'm sure someone in the forums knows. Maybe bumping this thread will help. Good studs are steel with carbide tips. The cheaper tires don't have the tips. Can you tell by looking?
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Not really. I wouldn't know the difference.

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Old 12-15-09, 09:16 AM
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Got my Nokian whatchamacallit W106 in the mail yesterday. Mounted only the front tire so far, snow pretty much all gone - but sub 30s. Holy smokes, that tire is loud! Rolling resistance is not good, but I expected that much. Not sure why it's so noise, is it the spanking new profile of the tire or the studs...
Can't say anything about handling on ice yet, we'll see.

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Old 12-15-09, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JPprivate View Post
Got my Nokian whatchamacallit W106 in the mail yesterday. Mounted only the front tire so far, snow pretty much all gone - but sub 30s. Holy smokes, that tire is loud! Rolling resistance is not good, but I expected that much. Not sure why it's so noise, is it the spanking new profile of the tire or the studs...
Can't say anything about handling on ice yet, we'll see.
I just ordered a pair of those whatchamacallits from Peter White. I fell on some black ice yesterday and hit the ground pretty hard. I did a face plant before I knew what was hakkapeliittaing!
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Old 12-15-09, 09:57 PM
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From the price I see those Continental's going for, I'd say they are carbide tipped. Better be for that price eh?
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As of last winter, at least, the Conti Spike claws have steel spikes, not carbide. They're a bit cheaper than Schwalbe and Nokians but the savings aren't worth it as they do wear quickly if you ride on pavement at all. The carbide studs, however, will outlast the tire casing. I know folks who have upwards of five winters on a set of Schwalbe Ice Spikers (and I'm in Saskatchwan, winter is looooooong here).
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I'm sure someone in the forums knows. Maybe bumping this thread will help. Good studs are steel with carbide tips. The cheaper tires don't have the tips. Can you tell by looking?
If you look real close, the tungsten tips found in Schwalbe and Nokian tires look a bit "whiter" than the steel bed they sit in. The Conti spikes are shiny steel throughout. Also, if the Continentals contained carbide, they'd be advertised as such.
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Also, if the Continentals contained carbide, they'd be advertised as such.
Good point, shoulda thought of that! Mission accomplished though. We got the answer.
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Yeah, that's a good point indeed

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Originally Posted by AdamDZ View Post
Yeah, that's a good point indeed

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The Conti's will work fine, they'll just wear out faster. I bet you can get a couple seasons at least but that's just a guess.
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