Originally Posted by AaronTX
(Post 11669148)
Wow. 35 to 55 is not considered that cold? Can you operate at VO2 max in those temperatures? Is your maximal power less under these conditions?
Originally Posted by bijan
(Post 11669303)
You will find that you can push yourself until drenched in sweat in colder temperatures than that. The maximal power you can generate is probably not a problem, but the colder it gets the less useful power yield you get, as you wear more layers of clothes, adopt a less aerodynamic position, and heavier/"draggier" bike accessories.
Probably part of the reason why marathon season is in the fall... |
Originally Posted by jaidog
(Post 11657748)
OP here again. Wanted to provide an update. Bellwether Coldfront fell through, but I found a Gore Performance Shell at a clearance price of $50 which I couldn't pass up. So, I'm now waiting for temps to drop to mid-30s at which time I'll try my UnderArmour coldgear jersey with the Gore Shell. I have a feeling I'll require even one more layer since the Gore Shell has very little insulation, but I'll need to wait for lower temps before I know for sure. Will provide results soon -- hopefully not too soon since I'm perfectly fine with 60 degrees in October.
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Just in case anyone is still monitoring this old thread ... Original OP back. Rode in 40 degree weather tonight through a surprise unforecasted downpour. My toes were frozen by the time I arrived home, but my core was warm AND DRY. Not a single drop made it through the Gore Shell!! And, I've found that the UnderArmour coldgear jersey was just trapping in too much heat or was too warm. With two long-sleeve polyester layers underneath the Gore Shell, I'm toasty at 40 degrees (and dry as I found out tonight). Needless to say, I'm extremely happy with the Shell and the layers I'm using under it for my semi-cold rides.
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Originally Posted by jaidog
(Post 11735595)
Just in case anyone is still monitoring this old thread ... Original OP back. Rode in 40 degree weather tonight through a surprise unforecasted downpour. My toes were frozen by the time I arrived home, but my core was warm AND DRY. Not a single drop made it through the Gore Shell!! And, I've found that the UnderArmour coldgear jersey was just trapping in too much heat or was too warm. With two long-sleeve polyester layers underneath the Gore Shell, I'm toasty at 40 degrees (and dry as I found out tonight). Needless to say, I'm extremely happy with the Shell and the layers I'm using under it for my semi-cold rides.
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Originally Posted by hairlessbill
(Post 11627871)
Haven't tried it yet but you could go with the windproof base layer shirts from Castelli:
http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=C2355 |
Regarding the cold toes: I don't plan on riding in the rain often, so I'll keep a couple of plastic bags with me and insert those between my socks and shoes. Dry toes = warmer toes, I hope.
Regarding layering: After experimenting for the past month in conditions ranging from 40 degrees to 70 degrees, I've concluded that there are two ways for me to layer. The first involves two to three layers of polyester with none of it being windproof. This seems to work down to about 48 degrees. With this approach, my core is not toasty, but I arrive less sweaty and feel that any sweat I'm producing has a chance to evaporate. I feel a lot more wind on my core, and I think the wind is helping remove the sweat (and heat). The second method of layering is to use one or two base layers with my Gore Shell on top. This seems to work well in sub-48 degree temps, especially at night. This keeps my core much warmer probably due to the fact that I am protected from wind, and the heat from my body is trapped within the shell. The flipside is that my base layers are more sweaty, but not too bad as long as I layer appropriately. |
I generally agree with jaidog but I would add that you can find jackets that are windproof on the front and not on the back. That allows moisture to escape from the back. When it's below freezing and my wife and I ride it's not uncommon to stop and brush off the frozen moisture off the back of our jackets. Even using the lightest weight windproof (back and front) jacket causes a lot of moisture to remain trapped inside. I also prefer more layers of polyester and hold off any windproofing layer till I really need it.
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Originally Posted by digibud
(Post 11761744)
I generally agree with jaidog but I would add that you can find jackets that are windproof on the front and not on the back. That allows moisture to escape from the back. When it's below freezing and my wife and I ride it's not uncommon to stop and brush off the frozen moisture off the back of our jackets. Even using the lightest weight windproof (back and front) jacket causes a lot of moisture to remain trapped inside. I also prefer more layers of polyester and hold off any windproofing layer till I really need it.
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Not sure what shell you have, but a few are designed so that their pockets double as vents. If you're still having evaporation issues that might be worth a shot.
Hope you're enjoying the warm weather--40's here this morning. |
Originally Posted by ScottRock
(Post 11770776)
Not sure what shell you have, but a few are designed so that their pockets double as vents. If you're still having evaporation issues that might be worth a shot.
Hope you're enjoying the warm weather--40's here this morning. |
Originally Posted by jaidog
(Post 11770878)
Little odd that my shell has just this single pocket. I would have expected more.
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Jackets typically have fewer pockets than jerseys. Usually one in the rear. Some have side pockets or a chest pocket. If you need to carry more stuff you can use a winter weight long sleeve cycling jersey as a middle layer. The jacket will need to be a little loose for this.
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I'd do the jersey and a fitting shell. You can unzip the shell as you get hot.
Or get a nice base layer, and wear a summer jersey over it and use a shell. I'm a big fan of wind blocking layers. I also tend to get cold rather than hot, so.... |
Originally Posted by ScottRock
(Post 11776611)
That is weird, but i guess that's what you get for $50 gore.
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Originally Posted by Hezz
(Post 11742521)
In my experience the last thing you would want is a windproof base layer. The problem is that windproofness is directly opposed to breathability and the inner layers need to be as breathable as possible. The only place you want windproofness is on the outer layer. In order for things to wick vapor they need to be as breathable as possible. With the outer layer you have to strike a compromise to keep a certain amount of cold air out of the warm body layer. But it has to breath enough to let out some body vapor.
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Originally Posted by AaronTX
(Post 11669148)
Wow. 35 to 55 is not considered that cold? Can you operate at VO2 max in those temperatures? Is your maximal power less under these conditions?
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