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Originally Posted by formicaman
(Post 13444207)
Wow, I had no idea aluminum frames were so vulnurable. Glad the mountain bike I'm putting the studds on is steel.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
(Post 13447952)
Have you considered a wash-down with fresh water ? every day..
FWIW, Steel ships have sacrificial ingots of Zinc to take on the corrosion. worked in a shipyard , and fitted a few. so a practical dip galvanizing would be a lovely finish.. Anodizing the aluminum helps, that is a tank based situation too. The answer it to bring the bicycle inside or try to use metals with similar nobility, that will slow down any corrosion. Here is what can happen to your nice fork if you don't keep the magnesium parts dry... this is after one season. http://i52.tinypic.com/20pe9tg.jpg http://i46.tinypic.com/207ls2c.jpg |
Originally Posted by hairytoes
(Post 13433367)
The LBS is right and wrong.
Aluminum + salt + water will corrode very very fast. Steel will corrode but more slowly.
Originally Posted by electrik
(Post 13436270)
Aluminum immediately oxidizes and that layer of oxidation provides a protective barrier to further oxidation. Steel just keeps oxidizing.
Corrosion depends largely on conditions. Chlorides speed up the corrosion process on both aluminum and steel because the chloride facilitates galvanic corrosion. Because of all the dissimilar metals on a bicycle, galvanic potentials can be set up all over the bike. Having an electrolyte and water present, starts the reaction while removing one of them stops the reaction. It is true that aluminum is more reactive than iron. But that reactivity passivates the surface rapidly since bare aluminum reacts rapidly with oxygen to form aluminum oxide. But steel also undergoes electrolysis and oxidation but it doesn't form a protective coating. The rust formed is more porous and allows further reaction.
Originally Posted by hairytoes
(Post 13433367)
Some of the newer de-icing sprays that are put down will oxidize aluminum faster.
Alkaline earth salts, like magnesium chloride, absorb water from the air too. However, they absorb more of it and they are less water soluble. They tend to 'stick' in place and absorb water which is kept right next to the metal surface. This keeps the galvanic reactions going. Here's a paper on Aluminum in salt water environments. It says that aluminum is corroded by salt water but that the salt water facilitates the galvanic actions. The oxide layer is also very sensitive to pH levels. Getting high (>8.5) or low (<4.5) pH really isn't all that difficult in our world so the oxidation layer can be damaged which starts the corrosion. |
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Yeah my poor 22 year old "BARE ALUMINIUM" RM is just falling apart.
I sweat so much my Steel Bianchi was rusted after 5 years of summer riding. I've ridden the RM the last 5 winters (5+ month long winters) and when it is encrusted in ice and sand and salt, I take it to the basement to melt, and just ride it the next day, and repeat. These rides are 1.5 - 2.5 hours in up to -35C, and the last 2 winters rider and clothes could be 300+ lbs (275 rider). I've ridden in a lot of winters previous, but the last 5 years it has 90% ridden in the winter. I do use it when I commute to work but, that has been far too infrequent lately. I should polish it up and take a picture, Flitz metal polish still makes it shine like chrome, but does take time. I am more concerned about the original chromoly fork that the frame. |
Titanium is best.
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Originally Posted by electrik
(Post 13445842)
Oh yeah, aluminum is awful.. just you wait until we bring up carbon fibre... God save us all, we need to ride around on boat anchors just to be safe!
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Originally Posted by DVC45
(Post 13457260)
Titanium is best.
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Originally Posted by DVC45
(Post 13457260)
Titanium is best.
The ol RM was $1000 back in 89, but it has lasted over 2 decades so I got my moneys worth. It "was" an expensive bike but it is by far the least expensive of my current bikes, so it is by default my winter beater. If I were to build a winter beater I would get a decent $2-300 (aluminium) frame and put low level parts on it that when they get destroyed are easy and cheap to replace. That way you aren't spending more time cleaning than riding. |
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