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Riding at night safely
With limited light in the winter, how many folks ride in the dark? How safe is it? I have a good safety vest, good headlight and very bright tail light, even reflective ankle bands. The concern is, how safe is it really? My wife is really concerned and I get it, but I thought I might seek the prospective of those that have done a lot of night riding. How much more dangerous is it to ride at night?
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With enough reflecting gear and lights, you contrast against a dark background far more than anything during the day. For me, the big challenges are me seeing road hazards in time to adjust safely (in concert with traffic). I alternate between a flashing light and steady. The flashing light is far more noticed by cars but tough for me to see road hazards. Downtown , it gets used, on the parkway out of town and beyond, it is the steady light.
I use a Serfas HB light, at least one flashing taillight, wear a reflecting cycling vest, put flashing tailights on each forward hip corner (for left turning vars and cars coming out of sidestreets; they see them) and my workhorse commuters are decorated with 6-10' of 1" reflecting tape. I also wear very bright solid color jerseys and jackets. I have commuted year 'round in Boston, Ann Arbor, Seattle and Portland for distances up to 15 miles each way 2-5 days a week. That's a lot of rides in the dark. Ben |
This won't work for everyone, but my job allows me to take off early (3 or 3:30-ish) and finish up my work from home, so that's what I often do.
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My concern isn't being seen. I take back roads. I'm lit up and I've seen cars pull over for me and I've seen cars wait for me in intersections. The problem are drivers texting. Lights won't help; riding in the daylight won't help either.
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 17368607)
I alternate between a flashing light and steady. The flashing light is far more noticed by cars but tough for me to see road hazards. Downtown, it gets used, on the parkway out of town and beyond, it is the steady light.
At present I have a basic "they see me" light that I keep on my handlebars, it works at night, but it isn't all THAT bright. I am hoping to get the Busch & Müller IXON IQ Premium L.E.D. Headlight for Christmas and I will mount it on the fork crown. My thought was when I was on the bike trail and away from traffic, I would only use the IXON IQ Premium. When I got into traffic I would switch the "they see me" light on. It seems the best of both worlds. Your thoughts? |
Found that adding a light bar was a good idea.
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels
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Found that adding a light bar was a good idea.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=421589 |
In addition to all of the lights, reflective tape, etc. I think a mirror is just as important. Being able to monitor the traffic as it comes up behind you. Making sure everyone does what they're supposed to. Increasing your knowledge by reading Bicycling Street Smarts - Table of Contents.
One advantage I have riding at night in the morning is the traffic isn't bad at all. Hardly any at all. So the wife takes comfort in that. But I still call home every morning when I get to work to let them know I'm OK. I give them three or four ringy-dingys on the phone. And if I forget one day, she's calling me right away to make sure I'm not laying in a ditch somewhere. |
Originally Posted by tractorlegs
(Post 17368972)
Who needs a light bar?
I was thinking of mounting the IXON IQ Premium light on the fork crown, but after seeing the light bar idea, I really like the idea of keeping the light up high. I think I will compare to the two and see how I light the shadoes created by each position and go from there. |
Originally Posted by scoatw
(Post 17369077)
In addition to all of the lights, reflective tape, etc. I think a mirror is just as important. Being able to monitor the traffic as it comes up behind you. Making sure everyone does what they're supposed to. Increasing your knowledge by reading Bicycling Street Smarts - Table of Contents.
One advantage I have riding at night in the morning is the traffic isn't bad at all. Hardly any at all. So the wife takes comfort in that. But I still call home every morning when I get to work to let them know I'm OK. I give them three or four ringy-dingys on the phone. And if I forget one day, she's calling me right away to make sure I'm not laying in a ditch somewhere. |
Originally Posted by scarleton
(Post 17369088)
Well, that is a very nice looking setup you have! After seeing your setup, it is clear to me that not everyone does need a light bar. But there are some advantages...
I was thinking of mounting the IXON IQ Premium light on the fork crown, but after seeing the light bar idea, I really like the idea of keeping the light up high. I think I will compare to the two and see how I light the shadoes created by each position and go from there. Rode some all night centuries last summer to beat the hot sun. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...dlights006.jpg I now only ride a trike. Had an Idea for a light bar...It turned out better than expected. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...2003GTO037.jpg http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...sting007-1.jpg http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/h...Testing015.jpg |
This looks like a cool product to enhance visibility
Glass 'Pixels' Printed On Bike Jacket Make It Shine At Night |
I ride with a steady headlight, a blinky white light pointed slightly to the right (gets the attention of people pulling out into traffic from the right into your path) a red blinky taillight on the rear of my rack, and one more red blinky in my seat tube (visible from both the right and left - makes me more visible from both sides). Wear a reflective vest also, with panniers that have reflective piping, reflectors on pedals, wheels, and rear rack. Check the rear view mirror frequently. FWIW, I feel safer in traffic after dark. It is much easier to blend into the surroundings in daylight, in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott
(Post 17368618)
my job allows me to take off early (3 or 3:30-ish) and finish up my work from home
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I have two spoke lights per wheel but have decided to go with 4 per wheel. Spoke lights aren't very expensive and I just think it would be more fun to have a "full" set of 4 lights per wheel. :)
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 17368607)
With enough reflecting gear and lights...
Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 17368607)
The flashing light is far more noticed by cars but tough for me to see road hazards.
Originally Posted by scarleton
(Post 17368560)
With limited light in the winter, how many folks ride in the dark? How safe is it? I have a good safety vest, good headlight and very bright tail light, even reflective ankle bands. The concern is, how safe is it really? My wife is really concerned and I get it, but I thought I might seek the prospective of those that have done a lot of night riding. How much more dangerous is it to ride at night?
But...according to the NHTSA Riding after dark •• Three in four (72%) bicyclists who rode after dark said they tried to do something to make themselves more visible. More than 4 in 10 of these bicyclists said they used bike headlights (44%) or wore fluorescent/ reflective clothing or shoes (42%); about one-third said they had bike taillights (34%) or reflectors (29%). Fewer bicyclists said they wore other lights on themselves or their belongings (12%), or wore lightcolored clothing (5%). You also want to have a back up in case something happens to a light. I run 3 lamps...two on the bars and one on my head...of equal intensity which all use the same type of battery and connection. If one fails, I'm not left in the dark. Also pick your route well. Less traffic is almost always better. Bottom line: Be aware of where and how you ride, have lots of lights and don't ride drunk. Riding at night is more dangerous but can be safely done if you are smart about it. |
Originally Posted by vol
(Post 17371161)
I've learned the lesson that even on days when I know I'll leave work in mid afternoon I should still bring some lights with me: the other day an unexpected long conversation with someone resulted me leaving an hour later, about 4:30pm, and it already began getting dark. By the time I got home, it was dark. When I was only few minutes from getting home I suddenly remembered I had spoke lights on my wheels that I never used, so I turned them on :D.
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Originally Posted by scarleton
(Post 17369088)
Well, that is a very nice looking setup you have! After seeing your setup, it is clear to me that not everyone does need a light bar. But there are some advantages...
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you'll get lots of answers to your question but if I can reflect, it's just plain fun, and when the days get longer you'll actually miss the darkness. at least I did
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Originally Posted by corrado33
(Post 17371985)
Many people specifically mount bike lights lower to cast those shadows. Sometimes it's hard to see small bumps and other things in the road when the lights are mounted very high (and subsequently don't cast any shadows.)
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I use a helmet light, a bar light and a blinking bar light. The helmet light allows you to see around a corner before the turn. Also wheels lights too, I think side visibility is often overlooked.
3 rear blinkys as well. |
Originally Posted by scarleton
(Post 17368560)
With limited light in the winter, how many folks ride in the dark? How safe is it? I have a good safety vest, good headlight and very bright tail light, even reflective ankle bands. The concern is, how safe is it really? My wife is really concerned and I get it, but I thought I might seek the prospective of those that have done a lot of night riding. How much more dangerous is it to ride at night?
If you're biking on roads with traffic, have a light bright enough to standout with the cars' headlights/taillights. Make sure your batteries are charged (relates to the above point) - I hate to say how many times I see a rider at night with lights but the batteries are clearly drained. Many people advise using a strobing light, do me a favor, try looking at that light strobing before you use it on the road. They can be blinding, and that doesn't help. My NiteRider 700 has a strobe function I have never used, 'cause that thing is blinding! In fact, I won't use 700 setting when I'm on the road with cars, it's like highbeams. To the point above, be attentive to where the light is pointed - it should be on the road ahead of you (30 to 50 ft); not in everybody's eyes. Like others have stated, a helmet light in addition to handlebar mounted light is very helpful. Helmet light allows you to direct a beam of light to see the conditions in a turn and at specific drivers to get their attention. I prefer a low-powered helmet light with my NiteRider on the bars. Spoke lights really help with visibility to cross traffic. I like this - SL-LD120 | CATEYE And/or reflectors - Amazon.com : Lightweights Power Reflectors for Wheels (86-Piece) : Bike Lighting Parts And Accessories : Sports & Outdoors - I have these on most of the bikes in my house, but none quite as 'bright' as the examples. Take some night rides on quiet roads or trails and get a feel for your comfort level before working up to busier roads. Hope this helps. |
Originally Posted by scarleton
(Post 17372205)
This is a very interesting prospective. Might I ask which approach you, personally, use?
If you go to this site and search for "Too Low." you'll find the small paragraph where he talks about how some of his lights are optimized for mounting on the front fork crown, right above the front tire. I think a little of both is good, some small shadows but not exaggerated. headlight beams from Peter White Cycles |
Originally Posted by Hypno Toad
(Post 17372321)
Make sure your batteries are charged (relates to the above point) - I hate to say how many times I see a rider at night with lights but the batteries are clearly drained.
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Originally Posted by corrado33
(Post 17372387)
If you go to this site and search for "Too Low." you'll find the small paragraph where he talks about how some of his lights are optimized for mounting on the front fork crown, right above the front tire. I think a little of both is good, some small shadows but not exaggerated.
headlight beams from Peter White Cycles "The good German lights I sell are all optimized for mounting at the top of the front tire, bolted to the fork crown. Their distribution of light assumes the light is about 3 feet off the ground." And as I stated before, I am looking at using one of those "good German lights", the Busch & Müller Ixon IQ Premium. Thanks again, I appreciate the refresher! |
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