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    power output chart

    http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/921...enperkg1lx.jpg im sure many have seen this chart before. does anyone know if it is pretty accurate, are there different/ better charts out there? thanks.

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    I've heard it's low.
    “Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." (Churchill)

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    Ya i thought it might be a little low. I did a computrainer 10k (~15mins) in february which would put me in the 2 catagory and im not at that level.

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    Coggan seems to have revised some of the power levels (mostly upwards):
    http://www.cyclingpeakssoftware.com/...11/profile.asp


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    The chart is pretty much useless for anything but very very broad generalizations.

    What are you trying to use it for?
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    To get an idea how of benchmarks to shoot for. I guess I just like numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'nother
    What are you trying to use it for?
    I like the chart because it's so much more sanitary than whipping out my junk.

    --Steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by zimbo
    I like the chart because it's so much more sanitary than whipping out my junk.

    --Steve


    Well, it puts my FTP and 5-minute power right in the middle of Cat 4 range and I'm a mediocre cat 4, so it seems pretty good to me...
    "Unless he was racing there was no way he could match my speed."

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    I find my racing license to be a better determinant of what category I'm in
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    What is FTP for those us of unaccustomed to Power Meter speak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete


    Well, it puts my FTP and 5-minute power right in the middle of Cat 4 range and I'm a mediocre cat 4, so it seems pretty good to me...
    cool thanks, ill play around with both and see where i fit. they look very similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'nother
    I find my racing license to be a better determinant of what category I'm in
    thats nice but im talking about training

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    Quote Originally Posted by eskimo85
    thats nice but im talking about training
    That's the thing: If you're just talking about training then it doesn't really matter. Establish your baseline numbers and make them better. It's not like you can start at cat 3 based on power data or anything...
    "Unless he was racing there was no way he could match my speed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by eskimo85
    thats nice but im talking about training
    It doesn't matter. Follow my patented training with power plan:
    Quote Originally Posted by 'nother's patented training with power plan
    Q) What are your current power numbers?
    A) You need more.
    This works for every racer in every category.


    Edit: D'oh, DrPete, I am going to sue you for patent infringement. That is my plan!
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    The chart is good for identifying your personal strengths/weaknesses, and IMO, that's about where it ends. It's pointed out strengths/weaknesses for me, and helped me tailor my training and racing to my advantage a little bit more.

    Like what's been said above though - it's e-wang measuring to bench race your wattage.

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    everyone should post their powerprofiles... werd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eskimo85
    thats nice but im talking about training
    If power profiles were any indicator of performance, I would be a Cat1 or D3 pro in Europe, according to the 20MP section of that chart. That might be the oldest one out there, though. They don't mean that much, really.
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    ^sure it does. It means you strong like bull but think like rock.
    Masochism is a training adaptation.

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    Power dosen't win races, skill/brains wins races. Power just keeps you with the field or the break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
    ^sure it does. It means you strong like bull but think like rock.
    That, or racing in the Midwest doesn't afford me any opportunities to take advantage of my w/kg. Crits are not the friendliest place for smaller dudes like myself. Neither are pan-flat or rolling RR's. Which is why I might come do 'Toona this year...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus
    The chart is good for identifying your personal strengths/weaknesses, and IMO, that's about where it ends. It's pointed out strengths/weaknesses for me, and helped me tailor my training and racing to my advantage a little bit more.
    This mirrors what Coggan says about it.

    It is simply human nature to wonder how one compares with others for any measurement, and cycling power output is certainly no exception to this rule. Consequently, there have been numerous calls for, and some attempts at, generating guidelines or benchmarks for power output based on rider category (i.e., cat. 1, cat. 2, etc.). Aside from satisfying people's natural curiosity, though, such category-based values would seem to have limited practical use - after all, the best measure of a rider's competitive ability relative to that of others is their actual race performance, not their power output. If, however, valid standards were available for power across different durations that represented different physiological characteristics or abilities, then it would be possible to identify a particular individual's relative strengths and weaknesses based on their "power profile". In such an analysis, the primary comparison would therefore be the rider against themselves, and not (directly) against others. Such information could be then used to help plan an appropriate training program, evaluate the effectiveness thereof, and to possibly identify events where an individual might be expected to achieve the greatest success. My goal was therefore to develop rationale guidelines that could be used for this purpose.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of Kent
    That, or racing in the Midwest doesn't afford me any opportunities to take advantage of my w/kg. Crits are not the friendliest place for smaller dudes like myself. Neither are pan-flat or rolling RR's. Which is why I might come do 'Toona this year...
    Too true.

    Back to California in 8 days, where I can actually take advantage of my lack of kilograms.

    Newer versions of that chart are more accurate I think. Me, a Cat 2? Nah, Cat 4. Newer charts have me in the Cat 3 range, but for some reason USA Cycling won't approve my upgrade on the chart alone.

    It is useful to gauge strengths and weaknesses. E.g., high in the 5 min and FTP, low in the neuromuscular or anaerobic part, or vice versa. Other than that, it suffices to feed the need to compare oneself to others.

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    For what its worth my power chart is all over the place. My 5sec and 5min put me in very hight Cat4 territory while my 1min is mid Cat5 while my FT is just a little higher than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmotoguy
    everyone should post their powerprofiles... werd.
    Any idea HOW to save the chart? You can't right click on it and there is no save function that I have found.

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    press the printscreen button on your keyboard, go into MSPAINT (except for cypress, because he's a dirty apple using hippie), and then press ctrl + v
    Masochism is a training adaptation.

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