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Old 04-30-13, 12:40 PM
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Yeah, the watermark is pretty crazy. He's gotten the best photos of me by far, so I have bought from him a couple times over the years. There was only one photographer shooting my solo break in the rain, and it wasn't some dadwithacamera

You will see more and more pro photographers protecting their work more aggressively as time goes on. If you buy it, there's no watermark. If you want something to post up on FB, choose a lesser photo from an amateur who doesn't protect his images.

Regarding the position, I've never been able to get my back to curve on the road position. It does a bit more in the TT position. I've also done threshold tests on the hoods, tops, and drops, and seen very little variance. Huge difference in aero testing though.
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Hey big boy, come to Tennessee and I'll get the best photos of you
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...was just about to say, this thread needs more Rick James... beaten by Ex yet again, sigh
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Old 04-30-13, 07:44 PM
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Hey big boy, come to Tennessee and I'll get the best photos of you
We'll be too distracted for pictures.
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Old 04-30-13, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Creakyknees
re: poop

[h=2]"The Last Office Taboo for Women" ???[/h]
I had no idea ...

The Last Office Taboo for Women: Doing Your Business at Work - The Daily Beast

"A woman’s body ... is a “very mysterious and powerful thing,” she says." <--- gee Doc you got a PhD for that, huh?
With how many adds you see aimed at women's digestive health (the yogurt fad, pre/probiotics) I wonder if any women take normal craps. If I had to take a "dumb and dumber" crap I might look for privacy too.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
Yes, there are many ways to get aero, with various tradeoffs. Note that you actually get lower when bending at the hips than bending in the middle of your torso. That comes with tradeoffs as well.

Notice how my shoulders are at the same height as my hips, where yours are 6-8" higher than your hips. Your sternum ends up at the same angle as mine, but my sternum is relatively lower, so my belly is catching less air. I'm actually another 3"-4" lower than this in the drops when arms are parallel, and can ride at this same angle in the drops with arms less bent:

https://dcmphotography.smugmug.com/Ot...kNwR&lb=1&s=XL
Interesting discussion. Judging from this recent pic it seems like I'm halfway between the bending at hips vs belly thing, and perhaps lower than you both?

In all honesty I was probably a tad lower there than usual because I saw the photog as I passed. Typically would be closer to waterrockets in shoulder-to-hip drop while riding in the drops.
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Old 04-30-13, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by wens
But I also hear aero stuff is individual enough that generalizations aren't that useful.
This. They are useful in that they are starting points. After that, you test. Then test some more.

Aerodynamics are hugely interactive. Take the same person, change their aero bar extension and the best helmet suddenly drops to 3rd.

I've probably got more testing hours here than anybody but Nate and I've sat with guys who get paid lots of money to work with pro teams in this field and we made guesses as to which set up would be faster. Too often we come away shaking our heads going WTF?
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Old 05-01-13, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex
This. They are useful in that they are starting points. After that, you test. Then test some more.

Aerodynamics are hugely interactive. Take the same person, change their aero bar extension and the best helmet suddenly drops to 3rd.

I've probably got more testing hours here than anybody but Nate and I've sat with guys who get paid lots of money to work with pro teams in this field and we made guesses as to which set up would be faster. Too often we come away shaking our heads going WTF?
Yeah, I'd recommend some level of aero testing for everyone.

Even if you're someone like me who just buys whatever helmet is on sale and looks decent, rides the same equipment for years, testing can still pay off. After doing the cheap aero testing (linked above) with a teammate, I learned that deep in the drops, I had better aerodynamics than IAB. That has impacted my position for pulling in breaks, as I would go IAB about 50% of the time. Now I know that I need to suck it up and get all the way down in the drops (power doesn't suffer in a 1' pull). IAB is a close 2nd, so for solo stuff it's a lot more comfortable, but I'll go back into the drops for gusty/head winds or descents.
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Originally Posted by Enthalpic
With how many adds you see aimed at women's digestive health (the yogurt fad, pre/probiotics) I wonder if any women take normal craps. If I had to take a "dumb and dumber" crap I might look for privacy too.
Yoga is to help you poop??? Wow, those stretches are more extensive than I thought.
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Refugees y'all:

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this thread should be stickied.
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Originally Posted by botto
this thread should be stickied.
But then no one would look at it...
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Originally Posted by Jandro
But then no one would look at it...
incorrect.
yet.
again.
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Originally Posted by Jandro
But then no one would look at it...
I lol'ed.
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Originally Posted by botto
incorrect.
yet.
again.
took.
the.
bait.

Joking.
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Thanks for all the aero advice.

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Old 05-06-13, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jandro
took.
the.
bait.

Joking.


"Wrong Again... Albert."
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So......

Ceramic bearing bottom bracket? Yay or nay?
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Old 05-09-13, 12:28 PM
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mine act up every now and again. I wouldn't have used it if i didnt get it for free. it's a waste compared to normal stuff
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Originally Posted by caloso
So......

Ceramic bearing bottom bracket? Yay or nay?
I would not pay a premium for one. If you ride a lot in wet weather, forget about it.
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Old 05-09-13, 12:56 PM
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Yeah, well that's what I thought. Thanks. You just saved me $100.
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I would not pay a premium for one. If you ride a lot in wet weather, forget about it.
Call me an idiot but dont they advertise ceramic bearing BB for wet weather or is it the other way around?
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Not that I have seen. They are lighter than stainless and can roll better mainly due to the light lube and low friction seals.
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reeeeeporting from an LBS the pacnw, our local veloSIRraptor

Most (not all) ceramic bearings take significantly more maintenance than steel bearings, especially in wet, gritty conditions.
To the extent that up here, if a racer wants to use them and isn't the sort to lube/maintain/check bearings after a couple wet rides (8 months of the year up here), I advise against it.
They pit & breakdown quickly enough compared to steel that in my experience, they aren't worth it.

ymmv
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brake/tire clearance question. just got some HED jets. rims are 23mm wide, and i'm running 25mm tires. i can get the brakes (shimano) wide enough, but when i do, the front tire actually rubs the center of the arm of the front brake (since the arm drops lower as cable tension decreases and the brakes open wider). there's one perfectly adjusted spot where everything works, but there's pretty much zero room for error.

are there any brakes that have more clearance? again, the issue is vertical tire clearance, not horizontal rim width clearance (although i guess they seem to be related).

edit: and yes, i realize one solution is just to use 23mm tires.
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