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Old 05-13-15, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
position picture, then!
+1 We love to critique TT pics.
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Lol, I will say that with a power meter it was muuuuuuch easier to figure out the position stuff. I raised the cockpit 2 spacers, switched saddles and seatpost and raised it to be the same as my road bike, and tilted the nose down a bit to open up the hip angle. The result is not slow; I'm trying to determine whether I'm faster with my Air Attack or with my TT helmet. If I can keep my head from moving around I'd expect the TT helmet to be faster, but in a 10mi tt there are going to be times you break position slightly, so I need to do some testing.

The difference between the old position and the new is about 100W/3-4mph which explains why I've been aggressively mediocre in the last few TTs I've done.
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>90 percent chance the tt helmet is faster, even if you're moving your head around
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tkp sees the tt at KSR and goes "perfect a chance for me to totally optimize my setup to clinch a podium spot"

i see the tt at ksr and go "thank god it's the last stage i don't have to worry about the time cut!"
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Still felt pretty bad warming up, but the first 2 intervals felt great. After that it was typical omg this hurts like hell, but no worse.
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Originally Posted by mike868y
tkp sees the tt at KSR and goes "perfect a chance for me to totally optimize my setup to clinch a podium spot"

i see the tt at ksr and go "thank god it's the last stage i don't have to worry about the time cut!"
My main goal is to get the max 15 upgrade points that weekend and finish off my points for cat 2, but my coach wants me on the podium. After getting the position in order it actually seems like a pretty realistic goal, so I'm just going with it haha
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did some more hill work today. maybe i'll be able to go uphill by the time tokeneke rolls around.

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My main goal is to get the max 15 upgrade points that weekend and finish off my points for cat 2, but my coach wants me on the podium. After getting the position in order it actually seems like a pretty realistic goal, so I'm just going with it haha
all the more power to you, you've definitely got a good shot at it.
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
Lol, I will say that with a power meter it was muuuuuuch easier to figure out the position stuff. I raised the cockpit 2 spacers, switched saddles and seatpost and raised it to be the same as my road bike, and tilted the nose down a bit to open up the hip angle. The result is not slow; I'm trying to determine whether I'm faster with my Air Attack or with my TT helmet. If I can keep my head from moving around I'd expect the TT helmet to be faster, but in a 10mi tt there are going to be times you break position slightly, so I need to do some testing.

The difference between the old position and the new is about 100W/3-4mph which explains why I've been aggressively mediocre in the last few TTs I've done.
Is this you before the change? I can definitely find 100 watts in the pic below but man 100 watts is almost 1/2 of CDR's FTP.

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Seat was too far back and too low and the bars also being too low compounded the loss of power by putting me far beyond what my flexibility could handle along with a small hip angle. I can even climb on the damn thing while on the aerobars, which is a first. Of course now you start wondering what a brand new super aero tt bike would do for you, plus wind tunnel time like what WJODonnell did back in the day. I'm producing more power than he did and at a lower weight, but because he put in the effort and money to do it right he was able to crack 30mph for a 40k, which is like...wtf levels of fast.
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Back on the bike after a week off. Meant to do 1.5 hours Z2 after my commute home yesterday, but some jackass damn near killed me taking a right turn right in front of me. Who cares about the safety of the guy on the bike, gotta beat them to the turn! Missed by inches. That kinda threw me off my game for the day and I didn't go out later. It's all good. Some engine work on the schedule for the night. Back on the horse.
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Felt unsick enough to try some efforts today, hoping not to have completely dead legs for Friday's race. Definitely not fully recovered though. First 5 minute effort: awesome, almost a PR. Next effort: ugh. Next effort: double ugh. Next effort: barely managed FTP.

So, I should be good to go for racing, as long as there's no more than one 5 minute effort involved in the whole thing.
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No shoes in the bag today so no lunch ride. Oh well, yesterday evening was a really hard race with much attacking, bridging, leading out sprinters. I'll just shift today's scheduled ride to tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by Hermes
Is this you before the change? I can definitely find 100 watts in the pic below but man 100 watts is almost 1/2 of CDR's FTP.
I found 25 watts and have been delighted. 3rd, 1st, 2nd in last three tt efforts, beating some good guys.

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Seat was too far back and too low and the bars also being too low compounded the loss of power by putting me far beyond what my flexibility could handle along with a small hip angle. I can even climb on the damn thing while on the aerobars, which is a first. Of course now you start wondering what a brand new super aero tt bike would do for you, plus wind tunnel time like what WJODonnell did back in the day. I'm producing more power than he did and at a lower weight, but because he put in the effort and money to do it right he was able to crack 30mph for a 40k, which is like...wtf levels of fast.
this is about 950 words less than 1 picture. what power are you making now, raw watts, anyway? You look tall, but thin. If you can make ~380 for the 20min you should go to Nats and focus on TT forever.
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Originally Posted by Ygduf
I found 25 watts and have been delighted. 3rd, 1st, 2nd in last three tt efforts, beating some good guys.



this is about 950 words less than 1 picture. what power are you making now, raw watts, anyway? You look tall, but thin. If you can make ~380 for the 20min you should go to Nats and focus on TT forever.
Lol, I'm way too self conscious to ask someone to take photos of my position. The last test true 20min test was 364W back in the middle of January during base, but that's for sure low at this point. A retest hasn't factored in to the plan since there's been so much race specific work, but extrapolation indicates 370-375 uphill and around 360 on flat ground.
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me hides in bushes outside TKP's coffeeshop burrow with a long lens
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
Lol, I'm way too self conscious to ask someone to take photos of my position. The last test true 20min test was 364W back in the middle of January during base, but that's for sure low at this point. A retest hasn't factored in to the plan since there's been so much race specific work, but extrapolation indicates 370-375 uphill and around 360 on flat ground.
I think a picture with the bike erased would be effective. It eliminates any preconceived notions of where someone ought to be sitting. Like my bike, if I erased all the bike stuff my position is pretty normal/conservative. Stick the stupid stem in there and suddenly I have massive drop and all that nonsense.
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Yea I dunno. TT bike fit certainly isn't a science to me at this point, I'm just trying to engage the same muscles as I do on the road bike. Raised the saddle a few mm and raised the nose ever so slightly, this seems to have me engaging hamstrings a bit more. The intervals were done between 350 and 355W, until I made the small fit change and the last one was 365, but these are 5min snips with 2.5min between the efforts and i'm also still feeling Sunday's race so it's all kind of nebulous as to what I'll be able to hold for 22ish minutes. I would be really surprised if these numbers weren't around what is sustainable for that time period, but I'm just going off what I know I can do pretty easily on a road bike so it's pretty sketchy guesstimation.
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Rode my TT bike for a recovery / adjustment. In February, I had the bars lowered and got R2C 11 speed. Two days after I picked it up my leg went wonky, and I've been a tad nervous to since its a low drop. After a few saddle adjustments it feels locked in....except my wrists have to bend a ton to grip the bars refer to instagram pic and there is no way I'd last in a 40k tt..... plan b
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Training status, track racing, cat 4/5, 5th of 15ish.4th in first scratch race.Second scratch, Attacked the 3 man break with 2 to go ant the pack hot on our heels, caught 50m from the line.Points was ok but hurt a ton of course. 3rd I'd guess.Elimination sucked, got boxed in the back with 7 guys left.
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The wind made last nights fast group ride extra brutal. My legs are feeling it and the lack of sleep today.
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Last night, 3x10 on the TT bike at FTP on flat to rolling terrain in a lot of crosswind. It was my climbing FTP but unfortunately is was TKP and Fudgys' z2.
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Hour of power last night. 220 watts for the hour. Considering that I did a hard (variable intervals of around 11-12 minutes based on route and terrain which were at old FTP or higher plus digs on hills etc.) ride the night before it really wasn't the best time to test but I was feeling a bit cheeky. So I probably could eek out a few more watts on a "rested" test. But I'm happy with the results. FTP is up 10% from beginning of year and up 5 watts from last adjustment. Starting to approach the upper end of where I have been with FTP (230 watts was best test ever). So while I know that's a pretty low number for FTP I'm happy with the progress. Especially considering I've been a bit time challenged over the winter and spring with my daughter's basketball. Oh yeah...and I also can't sprint. So I have that going for me too .
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just recovery paced commuting today. somewhere around 45 minutes each way.
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Morning group ride instead of climbing. Would have liked the view on the climb, but wasn't motivated enough with the fatigue. Tailgunned the whole ride, moved up for the sprint but there were too many guys all over the place so just powered in with the front of the pack. Not riding to work on bike to work day because the forecast says rain and 40 mph winds this afternoon.
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