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71% on Sunday. Only 16 seconds spent above 315w. Though to be fair I'm still coming off 3 weeks off the bike, so power is a bit low. I tend to usually be split between z2/z3 according to the zones. But mostly because of being in the very very low part of z3 because it's such a large zone, which kinda skews the numbers.
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I'd bet your getting back on the bike and losing 20 pounds (good job BTW) was A LOT of base riding...
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thanks! I did it mostly by cutting calories and staying on the bike everyday, I actualy got down to 168(race weight) from 205(fatty weight in December). I could barely ride 120 miles a week because it was so COOOOLD in Ohio
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That book is written for guys like you and me, Racer Ex. I used to think the same way but for now I am changing my process until I have given it a fair trial.
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I did the z2forever "base" model last year and came into the season barely able to hang on to a 100-man peloton. After 6 weeks of having my ass kicked, I finally had the VO2 to start racing. This year I am "not changing much" from my usual summer riding, just a small reduction in volume/intensity, but otherwise keeping fitness "up".
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For me base is in that 75-85% FTP kind of power range. Fairly steady most of the time. Intensity is low enough that I can crank out the same workout day after day for 5 or 6 days, and not really feel I need a recovery (still take days off though). I guess that for me, it's half a notch easier than the old "SST" workout. I still feel the rides in my legs when I get off the bike, but never feel them a couple hours later.
I mix it up though, as my ride yesterday with a teammate was trading pulls at threshold. NP and AP still came in that 75-85% range, and the pulls were never more than a minute. Don't have an HRM, but breathing was easy, and the ride felt relaxed. Conversation was not a challenge other than the fact that we were drafting each other.
I also maintain training blocks of 3 weeks on and 1 week off. The off week is just a few rides, that are shorter, but probably about base intensity. Same recovery weeks for build and specificity too.
I guess if the first build phases are threshold intervals, my base is just the next step below that intensity.
I mix it up though, as my ride yesterday with a teammate was trading pulls at threshold. NP and AP still came in that 75-85% range, and the pulls were never more than a minute. Don't have an HRM, but breathing was easy, and the ride felt relaxed. Conversation was not a challenge other than the fact that we were drafting each other.
I also maintain training blocks of 3 weeks on and 1 week off. The off week is just a few rides, that are shorter, but probably about base intensity. Same recovery weeks for build and specificity too.
I guess if the first build phases are threshold intervals, my base is just the next step below that intensity.
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I'm not mentioned in the forward.
Most of the books in question are written for a generic, somewhat experienced elite-age kid who's going to be doing long road and stage races with an "A" race block in mind and a half dozen or so other assumptions including a lot of training time available. That might be you, I dunno. Not me though.
I'd suggest speed's a wobbly metric to judge much of anything regarding fitness or training.
What I consider "base" for myself is not the same as what I might have other people do depending on their goals and level of fitness, or even the same for me from season to season. But "only" Z2 wouldn't be in any of those workouts.
Most of the books in question are written for a generic, somewhat experienced elite-age kid who's going to be doing long road and stage races with an "A" race block in mind and a half dozen or so other assumptions including a lot of training time available. That might be you, I dunno. Not me though.
I'd suggest speed's a wobbly metric to judge much of anything regarding fitness or training.
What I consider "base" for myself is not the same as what I might have other people do depending on their goals and level of fitness, or even the same for me from season to season. But "only" Z2 wouldn't be in any of those workouts.
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I did the z2forever "base" model last year and came into the season barely able to hang on to a 100-man peloton. After 6 weeks of having my ass kicked, I finally had the VO2 to start racing. This year I am "not changing much" from my usual summer riding, just a small reduction in volume/intensity, but otherwise keeping fitness "up".
I did the z2forever "base" model last year and came into the season barely able to hang on to a 100-man peloton. After 6 weeks of having my ass kicked, I finally had the VO2 to start racing. This year I am "not changing much" from my usual summer riding, just a small reduction in volume/intensity, but otherwise keeping fitness "up".
My point is the "z2 forever" model might work significantly better for anaerobic oriented people than for slow twitchers. For me, once I have aerobic fitness, VO2max and threshold are just not a problem.
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I'm not mentioned in the forward.
Most of the books in question are written for a generic, somewhat experienced elite-age kid who's going to be doing long road and stage races with an "A" race block in mind and a half dozen or so other assumptions including a lot of training time available. That might be you, I dunno. Not me though.
I'd suggest speed's a wobbly metric to judge much of anything regarding fitness or training.
What I consider "base" for myself is not the same as what I might have other people do depending on their goals and level of fitness, or even the same for me from season to season. But "only" Z2 wouldn't be in any of those workouts.
Most of the books in question are written for a generic, somewhat experienced elite-age kid who's going to be doing long road and stage races with an "A" race block in mind and a half dozen or so other assumptions including a lot of training time available. That might be you, I dunno. Not me though.
I'd suggest speed's a wobbly metric to judge much of anything regarding fitness or training.
What I consider "base" for myself is not the same as what I might have other people do depending on their goals and level of fitness, or even the same for me from season to season. But "only" Z2 wouldn't be in any of those workouts.
This is why I will be getting a coach...someday
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Me too. I'm struggling with my offseason plans. This was my first year racing, and I'm hooked. I want to maximize my time and push myself, but I don't really know what I'm doing training wise, but I just can't afford to get a coach right now. I think this coming season I'll come up with a loose training plan on my own and hopefully get some pointers from forum members about refinements. I think most people here are helpful and certainly know more than I do about training.
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fatso, can you even do 4.5 w/kg on a climb these days? i heard that you are like Ted not only in spirit but also in form
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I'm not mentioned in the forward.
Most of the books in question are written for a generic, somewhat experienced elite-age kid who's going to be doing long road and stage races with an "A" race block in mind and a half dozen or so other assumptions including a lot of training time available. That might be you, I dunno. Not me though.
I'd suggest speed's a wobbly metric to judge much of anything regarding fitness or training.
What I consider "base" for myself is not the same as what I might have other people do depending on their goals and level of fitness, or even the same for me from season to season. But "only" Z2 wouldn't be in any of those workouts.
Most of the books in question are written for a generic, somewhat experienced elite-age kid who's going to be doing long road and stage races with an "A" race block in mind and a half dozen or so other assumptions including a lot of training time available. That might be you, I dunno. Not me though.
I'd suggest speed's a wobbly metric to judge much of anything regarding fitness or training.
What I consider "base" for myself is not the same as what I might have other people do depending on their goals and level of fitness, or even the same for me from season to season. But "only" Z2 wouldn't be in any of those workouts.
I thought that too. Then I read the book. Speed may not be the greatest thing to measure but it sure is nice to have more speed than the next guy, but only if you have the endurance to hold it.
So what is your "base" training like? I'm not saying its wrong but I'm interested.
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I thought that too. Then I read the book. Speed may not be the greatest thing to measure but it sure is nice to have more speed than the next guy, but only if you have the endurance to hold it.
So what is your "base" training like? I'm not saying its wrong but I'm interested.
So what is your "base" training like? I'm not saying its wrong but I'm interested.
what is his base training like? well, a few people here would have issues if he told you about his base training in a public post.
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I was 235 on the scale downstairs = 106.88 kilos
To do 4.5 w/kg = 480.68 watts
My hill repeat climb is ~.5 miles
Bettya I can do 5 (534 for .5 miles)?
Wager?
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Friel's book says that "Base" periods include not only Endurance/z2 work, but Speed Skills and Force training.
What I was asking was when you're doing z2 rides (which is not all the time!), what's the breakdown.
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strava segment?
and what's the bet, lose and you get naked, win and you both get naked?!
and what's the bet, lose and you get naked, win and you both get naked?!