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In my city there are 7 crossings in less than a mile and the 40+ coal trains/day are never going faster than 10 mph in order to navigate two 90° change of directions on this side of the Mississippi River bridge. Prior to the city making the expensive road changes there was a constant 100+db din for almost the entire time as each and every engine cleared every crossing, 24/7. I live 2 miles from downtown and I find it hard to believe that anybody in the neighborhood of this noise, unless stone deaf, was not "bothered."
In that setting, rents are rising much faster than the residents' wages at local service jobs. These renters believe a quiet zone would increase their already burdensome rents and force them to move far from their jobs. Also, we have a huge population of homeless people and five city-sanctioned homeless camps just beyond the edge of the neighborhood boundary,and a host of unsanctioned camps. (Eugene has about ten times the national rate of homelessnes and they are mostly in this neighborhood because the services for them are here.) These people use the tracks as a pedestrian way, so even with the improvements that lead to a quiet zone designation, we're still going to have horns at night as the campers make their way back from drinking in the neighborhood parks. Some feel that infrequent horns will be more disruptive than the regular ones that we have all learned to tune out.
Then there's the issue of paying for a bond that benefits the wealthiest people (landlords and the developers of the downtown properties that are being sold/given to them by the city, county and municipal utility) while the poorest people get either increased rents or unpleasant commutes. with that background, maybe you can understand why there is opposition to these crossing improvements.
By the way, no one has found any evidence that any of these crossings has ever had a motor vehicle/train collision. We have had several pedestrian/train incidences this past decade, most of them fatal, and one bike/train incident (the direct result of routing cyclists onto a sidewalk with a blind crossing where there is no legal requirement for visible notices of trains arriving). As you might surmise, most of the pedestrian incidents were between crossings rather than at the crossings.
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One of the problems with train crossings is that the gates are often closed for longer than necessary.
In some places, it is not uncommon for he gates to be closed several minutes before the train arrives, and remain closed for several minutes after it departs.
The greater buffer may seem to give a greater opportunity to get out of the way, but it also entices people to cheat.
In some places, it is not uncommon for he gates to be closed several minutes before the train arrives, and remain closed for several minutes after it departs.
The greater buffer may seem to give a greater opportunity to get out of the way, but it also entices people to cheat.
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The commuter trains and light rail seem to have quick gates that close late and open early for fast moving trains. Transit is also rare but rapidly expanding in LA. But freight lines often close early, for no apparent reason, or when switching maneuvers are going on over a mile away. You can get stuck at freight lines for very long periods. So people learn to disrespect grade crossings, and get plowed by the commuter trains regularly.
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Sounds like the residents would welcome a toxic waste dump and rendering plant to this neighborhood in order to "preserve" the lower rent as well as its "character."
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One of the problems with train crossings is that the gates are often closed for longer than necessary.
In some places, it is not uncommon for he gates to be closed several minutes before the train arrives, and remain closed for several minutes after it departs.
The greater buffer may seem to give a greater opportunity to get out of the way, but it also entices people to cheat.
In some places, it is not uncommon for he gates to be closed several minutes before the train arrives, and remain closed for several minutes after it departs.
The greater buffer may seem to give a greater opportunity to get out of the way, but it also entices people to cheat.
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Newer link to the CCTV video:
Caught on Camera: Polish Cyclist Collides With High Speed Train | NECN
Caught on Camera: Polish Cyclist Collides With High Speed Train | NECN
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No matter what was going on, the root cause was that he was (and probably remains) a moron.
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Speaking from experience, having actually worked for a major railway a few years back, I get the impression that the cyclists didn't realize just how fast the train was actually moving, due to their very large size. Trains can surprisingly quiet, even at speed, or under throttle.
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Over the last decade or so, the RRs have been pressured and have gone to great lengths to make grade crossings safer....
We have a crossing near my house where two gates would block the traffic in each direction. Old style, worked for decades and is well maintained. I've not seen any false alarms or failures at this crossing.
Now there are four gates. They've added a gate blocking oncoming traffic on each side because people would just drive around the gates on the wrong side of the road.
We have a crossing near my house where two gates would block the traffic in each direction. Old style, worked for decades and is well maintained. I've not seen any false alarms or failures at this crossing.
Now there are four gates. They've added a gate blocking oncoming traffic on each side because people would just drive around the gates on the wrong side of the road.
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Based on what's happening locally, I think you may have misinterpreted what's going on with those crossing changes and who is paying for them. In my city, we have a series of ten crossings, seven of which go through my neighborhood with three in the next neighborhood over. Some people who live twenty to forty blocks away as well as some developers in the neighborhood with three crossings don't like the train horns. The horns are well over 100 decibels and each crossing gets two long, one short and another long blast of horn. With about thirty to fifty trains per day, the thousand-odd blasts are noticeable. (Oddly, the people in the neighborhood with seven of the crossings aren't bothered by the horns.)
Anyway, if the city is willing to spend the money, the crossings can be upgraded and the train engineers will then not only not be required to blow their horns, they will face a fine if they do so without a hazard on the tracks. Notice the rail road company that owns the tracks does not pay for the crossing improvements. The owner of the roadway that crosses the tracks is required to pay for crossing improvements.
Just for those who are curious, these quiet zones generally involve one of four treatments to each crossing in the zone: closure (cheap, but inconvenient), conversion to one-way with gates that cover the travel lanes, addition of a 100' unmountable median (with no driveways that could allow someone to go the wrong way) or, the most expensive, so-called quad gates. Quad gates are those crossings with two gates on each side so that morons can't go around a gate that is down. They even time their dropping so that people are less likely to get trapped on the tracks, although given the choice of driving through a gate or sitting on the tracks waiting for the train to hit me I know which choice I would make.
Anyway, if the city is willing to spend the money, the crossings can be upgraded and the train engineers will then not only not be required to blow their horns, they will face a fine if they do so without a hazard on the tracks. Notice the rail road company that owns the tracks does not pay for the crossing improvements. The owner of the roadway that crosses the tracks is required to pay for crossing improvements.
Just for those who are curious, these quiet zones generally involve one of four treatments to each crossing in the zone: closure (cheap, but inconvenient), conversion to one-way with gates that cover the travel lanes, addition of a 100' unmountable median (with no driveways that could allow someone to go the wrong way) or, the most expensive, so-called quad gates. Quad gates are those crossings with two gates on each side so that morons can't go around a gate that is down. They even time their dropping so that people are less likely to get trapped on the tracks, although given the choice of driving through a gate or sitting on the tracks waiting for the train to hit me I know which choice I would make.
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